F I D O N E W S Volume 17, Number 47 13 Nov +----------------------------+---------------------------------------+ | The newsletter of the | ISSN 1198-4589 Published by: | | FidoNet community | "FidoNews" | | _ | 1-714-639-0377 1:1/23 | | / \ | | | /|oo \ | | | (_| /_) | | | _`@/_ \ _ | | | | | \ \\ | Editor: Warren Bonner | | | (*) | \ )) | editor@fidonews.org | | |__U__| / \// | fidonews@netscape.net | | _//|| _\ / | | | (_/(_|(____/ | | | (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. | | | -- JOSEPH PULITZER | +----------------------------+---------------------------------------+ Table of Contents 1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1 Editorial ................................................ 1 2. LETTERS TO THE EDITOR .................................... 3 Letters on the Ed's Desk ................................. 3 3. ARTICLES ................................................. 5 *ARTICLES* ............................................... 5 4. COLUMNS .................................................. 7 Ol'WDB's Column .......................................... 7 5. FIDONET BIOGRAPHIES ...................................... 8 Site Biographies of Fido & Links ......................... 8 6. FIDONET HISTORY .......................................... 9 * History * .............................................. 9 7. REVIEWS .................................................. 11 -=Reviews=- .............................................. 11 8. GETTING TECHNICAL ........................................ 12 -=Technocal Funnys=- ..................................... 12 9. QUESTION OF THE WEEK ..................................... 14 This Week's QUESTIONS .................................... 14 10. NOTICES ................................................. 15 -+=NOTICES=+- ............................................ 15 11. FIDONET BY INTERNET ..................................... 18 FIDONEWS 18-01 Page 1 13 Nov 2000 ================================================================= EDITORIAL ================================================================= fidonews@netscape.net editor@fidonews.org 1:1/23 Please be aware of the NEW fidonews@netscape.net address which replaces my Pacbell.net address used in the past. Outlook Express has become suspect in opportunities for worms and hackers. This Netscape internet email address will be the preferred address in the future. Now to share some salsa and chips and your favorite beverage... 8^) It seems that the water is about to boil in the Z1C electorial pot. Fingers pointing every direction. No one yet willing to openly agree on the proposed appointment of a temporary ZC to hold an election... or even when that will be. Hello, RCC. The ball is in your court... ( I hope I don't get fired for this little nudge). Oh! look! Black helicopters rising into the sunrise.... -------------------------------------------------------------------- By: Dave Hamilton David posted his *intention* to merge R14. Sysops here objected to it. Everyone who responded thought it was a bad decision. Nobody proposed that in the future he make no decisions without zone-wide referendum. The complaint was that he made a decision about a specific group of sysops without knowing what *those* sysops wanted. I hope that those sysops who spoke up were motivated by a fear of "it could happen to me." Had he responded to the protests there would have been hardly a ripple in the water. It was, after all, not a done deal. I'm not sure where the RCC needs to fit into this example, but if it had been the RCC who stated this intention, I'll bet the response would have been the same. I do agree with the proposal that the arcane RCC echo should be available as read-only to whomever wants it. People with comments could make them in their regional echos, netmail to their RC's, or here, depending on the scope of whatever point interested them. --- FleetStreet 1.26 * Origin: Aurora Exploratoria - Ladysmith, BC, Canada (1:229/622) -------------------------------------------------------------------- By: Darrell Salter To: Foxy Ferguson -------------------------------------------------------------------- Foxy Ferguson wrote in a message to Dave Hamilton: Dave says: Darrell keeps us very well informed about topics occupying the minds of the RCC. Foxey replies: It does not appear to be a two-way information flow, Dave, since other members of the RCC have stated that they =want= his input but do not seem to be getting it at anything like the frequency they would like... FIDONEWS 18-01 Page 2 13 Nov 2000 Darrell states: I serve the sysops, not the RCC. I couldn't care less what they think of the frequency of my posts or my level of involvement in their plans and discussions. When the sysops ask me to relay something to the RCC, whether I agree or not, I relay it. When the sysops ask me what is going on in there, I tell them. The only reason I relay at all is because I have access to the RCC echo and the sysops do not. Were the sysops to have access to that echo they could read what is going on themselves and could ask questions of the Z1C, the RCs, Satti, and whomever else gets invited. Personally, I think it's a rather silly arrangement the way it is now and it leaves everything open to interpretation. The echo should be made public or dissolved and brought into an already existent public forum. Darrell darrell@sprk.com http://sparkys.dyndns.org --- * Origin: Sparky's BBS (telnet://bbs.sprk.com) (1:229/1) --------------------------------------------------------------------- Your ol'editor feels the interest among sysops would be greatly enhanced if they had an inkling of the problems the NC/RCC deal with. Hiding their g-e-n-e-r-a-l chatter on the g-e-n-e-r-a-l day to day items that require their attention, is not a healthy way to build sysop level participation in the future. Sysops ignorance of the NC/RCC agendas severally and collectively, breeds the mistrust and snipping that is detrimental to harmony, training, and experience necessary to build a strong reliable future Fido network. IF data is so sensitive, or in a stage of development that would not be appropriate for general population at that particular moment, RCC knows how to use net&ip mails until it is ready for the "grunts"; but let them READ if they are interested enough... there may be an another great leader or two among them... RCC could designate another echo to WRITE questions, suggestions and comments to them by the sysops. ~~~~~~~~~~end~~~~~~~~~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 18-01 Page 3 13 Nov 2000 ================================================================= LETTERS TO THE EDITOR ================================================================= By: Michael Grant To: Warren Bonner WB> I suggested in the distant past, that a "Election Chairman Office" be established on a permenamt bassis to handle elections. An ECO echo. The duties of this office could be handled by a designated RC, by the collective wisdom of the RCC. MG> I like this idea, Warren, but would take it a step further, and say why should a possible Election Chariman have to be an RC? It seems to me this is a very different thing from the duties of an RC, and could be handled quite aptly even by someone with no experience in nodelist processing. All that would be required would be some prior experience in running an election, and knowledge of the accepted guidelines. Furthermore, I feel if an RC were to take on this role, it could tend to be a fair-sized distraction to his RC duties. WB> Point well taken. Sysop be appointed by collective consensus of the RCC.... would that work? ~~~~~~~~~~end~~~~~~~~~~ By: Tony Campbell web: http://www.fidotel.com/public/fidonews FTP: ftp.fidotel.com (comprehensive archive of every Fidonews ever published) Thank you, Shannon Talley 1:275/311 sysop@fidotel.com -=ALSO=- Ahem, the ONLINE readable complete collection is at: http://www.TheLitterBox.org/fido. Thank you Tony. ~~~~~~~~~~~end~~~~~~~~~~~ By: Darrell Salter No one's blaming you for that and no one can predict the future. At least FIDOPOLS would have been a public forum where interested parties could have voiced their opinions. As the moderator you could have kept the threads on track and progress could have been made by involving the right people, the sysops. Dave Hamilton pointed me towards the echo some months back and I 'fixed it, but it was too late apparently. Just thinking out loud here but I still maintain that too much is expected of *Cs and there is not enough sysop involvement. *Cs should be left to tend to nodelist duties and the real direction and decision making should be left to the sysops of which there are many capable ones. A *C with too many responsibilities can quickly become overwhelmed with work and expectations no matter how hard they try. Besides their nodelist duties a lot of them pull extra-duty as mail movers, representatives, arbitrators, bean counters, new- sysop advisors, moderators, etc. with the result being that few of these jobs get done as well as they might and the *Cs and the sysops lose FIDONEWS 18-01 Page 4 13 Nov 2000 sight of the hobby. *Cs get super-experienced and the sysops get left out and disinterested. If David had stuck to tending the nodelist would he have been able to serve out his term? I don't know but I'd guess he probably could and if he couldn't, wouldn't it be great to know that there are lots of sysops around with experience tending the nodelist? David could have come to the sysops and said 'hey guys, I'm just too busy these days to carry on in this role'. The sysops could have selected someone and sent him on his way. Done deal! Same goes for any *C. But when you've got a *C that has hung on to the job seemingly forever like Satti did, and when *Cs pass the jobs amongst each other instead of bringing in new faces and fresh blood, it appears to me almost everyone around them drops off and loses interest. Most of the sysops here are involved in the jobs of Fidonet to some degree. If each of us did a job for a while and handed off that job to someone new fairly regularly, in a few short years you'd have loads of involved, knowledgable, sysops. You wouldn't have the large gap of sysops that know what's going on and ones that don't. Sure there'll always be those that simply don't want to get involved but there's no way that every capable sysop in this hobby is being given the opportunity to contribute and without those contributions this network is going to continue to falter. Darrell darrell@sprk.com http://sparkys.dyndns.org --- * Origin: Sparky's BBS (telnet://bbs.sprk.com) (1:229/1) ~~~~~~~~~~end~~~~~~~~~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 18-01 Page 5 13 Nov 2000 ================================================================= ARTICLES ================================================================= Hi folks, I have some articles submitted to me for publication this week. I had originally formatted them and installed them here. On final reading I was not happy with the way different articles clashed with each other's representations. Particularly do not want to let the Snooze become a Fight Arena. Although no derogatory names were called, names were mentioned and accusations were made. So I have pulled them out of this issue as the other Zones do not want to wade through a quarrelsome atmosphere. I still want your articles, but not combative hurtful articles, rather enlightening items preferably composed by yourselves. How about these subject: "Proposal complete with rules for elections of all levels"; "Proposal for expanding the Snooze to have a PDF issue"; "Proposal for a rewritten Policy"...ect Ed-P-T -------------------------------------------------------------------- -=***IF***=- If you woke up this morning with more health than illness, you are more blessed than the million who will not survive the week. If you have never experienced the danger of battle, the loneliness of imprisonment, the agony of torture or the pangs of starvation, you are ahead of 500 million people around the world. If you attend a church meeting without fear of harassment, arrest, world. If you have food in your refrigerator, clothes on your back, a roof over your head and a place to sleep, you are richer than 75% of this world. If you have money in the bank, in your wallet, and spare change in a dish someplace, you are among the top 8% of the worlds wealthy. If your parents are still married and alive, you are very rare, even in the United States. If you hold up your head with a smile on your face and are truly thankful, you are blessed because the majority can, but most do not. If you can hold someone's hand, hug them or even touch them on the shoulder, you are blessed because you can offer a healing touch. If you can read this message, you are more blessed than over two billion people in the world that cannot read anything at all. If you can pass this along, you will be blessed in ways you may never even know. Author Unknown_______________________________________ FIDONEWS 18-01 Page 6 13 Nov 2000 ~~~~~~~~~~end~~~~~~~~~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 18-01 Page 7 13 Nov 2000 ================================================================= COLUMNS ================================================================= WarBonD777.aol.com Golf Interruptions It's Saturday morning. Bob's just about to set off on a round of golf when he realizes that he forgot to tell his wife that the guy who fixes the washing machine is coming around at noon. So Bob heads back to the clubhouse and phones home. "Hello" Says a little girl's voice. "Hi, honey, it's Daddy," says Bob. "Is Mommy near the phone?" "No, Daddy. She's upstairs in the bedroom with Uncle Frank." After a brief pause, Bob says, "But you haven't got an Uncle Frank, Honey!" "Yes, I do, and he's upstairs in the bedroom with Mommy!" "Okay, then. Here's what I want you to do. Put down the phone, run upstairs and knock on the bedroom door and shout to Mommy and Uncle Frank that my car's just pulled up outside the house." "Okay, Daddy!" A few minutes later, the little girl comes back to the phone. "Well, I did what you said, Daddy." "And what happened?" "Well, Mommy jumped out of bed with no clothes on and ran around screaming; then she tripped over the rug and fell down the stairs and she's just lying there. I think she's dead." Oh my God! And what about Uncle Frank?" "He jumped out of bed with no clothes on, and he was all scared and he jumped out the back window into the swimming pool. But he must have forgot that last week you took out all the water to clean it, so he hit the bottom of the swimming pool and is just lying there, not moving. I think he may be dead, too." There is a long pause, then Bob says, "Swimming pool? Is this 854-7039?" ~~~~~~~~~~end~~~~~~~~~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 18-01 Page 8 13 Nov 2000 ================================================================= FIDONET BIOGRAPHIES ================================================================= Collin County Station Fidonet - 1:124/6308 Web Page - http://texoma.net/~flv Collin County Station's Web Page has undergone some major changes. For those that were linking to the old "http://texoma.net/~flv/ccs.htm" address, please remove the "ccs.htm" from there and just leave the "/~flv". What's new?? 1. Relocated the page to a sub-directory on the server and made a separate directory for images. It's easier to keep track of stuff this way. :) 2. The pages were getting crowded and hard for me to manage, so I went with a "frames" format and a pull down men (java script) to get around with. I think it looks and works a lot better. 3. Sorted through the pages and put some stuff in categories. You'll notice this the most in the "software" links. Man, they were a mess! :-)) 4. Did some cosmetic changes and created some graphics as well as removed some things. I hope you'll find this site easier to navigate and better all around. Drop in a check it out. For those of you that have been there before, drop back by. For those that have never checked it out, please do. Either way, let me know if everything is working and what you think. :-) Have a great day, Frank - 1:124/6308 flv@texoma.net flv@texoma.net http://texoma.net/~flv http://bise.tzo.com/r19 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~end~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 18-01 Page 9 13 Nov 2000 ================================================================= FIDONET HISTORY ================================================================= Did you know...? -= TAPS =- From a fellow Veteran of Foreign Wars We have all heard the haunting song, "Taps." It's the song that gives us that lump in our throats and usually creates tears in our eyes. But, do you know the story behind the song? If not, I think you will be pleased to find out about it's humble beginnings. Reportedly, it all began in 1862 during the Civil War, when Union Army Captain Robert Ellicombe was with his men near Harrison's Landing in Virginia. The Confederate Army was on the other side of the narrow strip of land. During the night, Captain Ellicombe heard the moans of a soldier who lay severely wounded on the field. Not knowing if it was a Union or Confederate soldier, the Captain decided to risk his life and bring the stricken man back for medical attention. Crawling on his stomach through the gunfire, the Captain reached the stricken soldier and began pulling him toward his encampment. When the Captain finally reached his own lines, he discovered it was actually a Confederate soldier, but the soldier was dead. The Captain lit a lantern and suddenly caught his breath and went numb with shock. In the dim light, he saw the face of the soldier. It was his own son. The boy had been studying music in the south when the war broke out. Without telling his father, the boy enlisted in the Confederate Army. The following morning, heartbroken, the father asked permission of his superiors to give his son a full military burial despite his enemy status. His request was only partially granted. The Captain had asked if he could have a group of Army band members play a funeral dirge for his son at the funeral. The request was turned down since the soldier was a Confederate. But, out of respect for the father, they did say they could give him only one musician. The Captain chose a bugler. He asked the bugler to play a series of musical notes he had found on a piece of paper in the pocket of the dead youth's uniform. This wish was granted. The haunting melody, we now know as "Taps" used at military funerals, was born. Day is done Gone the sun From the Lakes From the hills From the sky. All is well, safely rest. God is nigh. Fading light Dims the sight And a star FIDONEWS 18-01 Page 10 13 Nov 2000 Gems the sky, Gleaming bright From afar, Drawing nigh, Falls the night. Thanks and praise, For our days, Neath the sun, Neath the stars, Neath the sky, As we go, This we know, God is nigh. We have all felt the chills while listening to "Taps" but I have never seen all the words to the song until now. I didn't even know there was more than one verse. I also never knew the story behind the song and I didn't know if you had either so I thought I'd pass it along. I now have an even deeper respect for the song than I did before. Ed *Note, copyrighted materials are never used without permission of author or holder intentionally. Materials on the Internet seldom display a copyright. ~~~~~~~~~~end~~~~~~~~~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 18-01 Page 11 13 Nov 2000 ================================================================= REVIEWS ================================================================= By: Jack Yates To: Andrea Santos Ten weeks would have been more than enough to carry this off. AS> Straight 10 weeks, sure. Throw in the US Election, AS> Thanksgiving, Hanukah/Christmas and New Year's and I really AS> can't think of a worse time to hold an election all year. I slept on this before I answered, Andrea, and I came to the conclusion that there is no ten-week period in the year that's convenient to all for an election because so many look at an election as an interruption in their lives, a duty that they perform merely to discharge the obligation, or just a PITA and an interruption in their lives. Summer elections are out of the question due to vacations, yet our state has it's Primary election in July at the peak of the vacation season. The ones who care, vote. What you are saying is that this is the worst time of the year for you. The fact is that we *need* an election *now*, irrespective of the inconvenience that it might cause for a few, or for many, if your assessment is corrrect, and elections are held because of need, not convenience. It would take about 15 minutes a day to read the meaningful posts in a general election, most of Z1 won't spend *that* much time reading them. Most of Z1 doesn't care who's in charge. I know that you know how to sort through the posts and eliminate the background noise, concentrating on the posts that matter; can you find 15 minutes a day? Hold the election, pick a replacement for Mouf so that he can get on with the things that have priority in his life and the few who actually *care* about who's running this ranch will find the time. None of this is gonna happen, though; I hope we have a temp Z1C appointed by 5 JAN. --- * Origin: Fresh off the farm.. (1:3613/1275.1) ~~~~~~~~~~end~~~~~~~~~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 18-01 Page 12 13 Nov 2000 ================================================================= GETTING TECHNICAL ================================================================= Since no real technostuff was submitted this week... I thought a little insight into the service dept.... IDIOTS IN SERVICE: This week, all our office phones went dead and I had to contact the telephone repair people. They promised to be out between 8:00 a.m.and 7:00 p.m. When I asked if they could give me a smaller time window, the pleasant gentleman asked, "Would you like us to call you before we come?" I replied that I didn't see how he would be able to do that, since our phones weren't working. He also requested that we report future outages by email (Does YOUR email work without a telephone line?). -------------------------------------------------------------------- IDIOTS AT WORK: I was signing the receipt for my credit card purchase when the clerk noticed I had never signed my name on the back of the credit card. She informed me that she could not complete the transaction unless the card was signed. When I asked why, she explained that it was necessary to ompare the signature I had just signed on the receipt. So I signed the credit card in front of her. She carefully compared the signature to the one I had just signed on the receipt. As luck would have it, they matched. -------------------------------------------------------------------- IDIOTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD: I live in a semi-rural area. We recently had a new neighbor call the local township administrative office to request the removal of the Deer Crossing sign on our road. The reason: too many deer were being hit by cars and he didn't want them to cross there anymore. -------------------------------------------------------------------- IDIOT SIGHTING #1: I was at the airport, checking in at the gate when an airport employee asked, "Has anyone put anything in your baggage without your knowledge?" To which I replied, "If it was without my knowledge, how would I know?" He smiled knowingly and nodded, "That's why we ask." -------------------------------------------------------------------- IDIOT SIGHTING #2: The stoplight on the corner buzzes when it's safe to cross the street. I was crossing with an intellectually-challenged coworker of mine when she asked if I knew what the buzzer was for. I explained that it signals blind people when the light is red. Appalled, she responded, "What on earth are blind people doing driving?!" -------------------------------------------------------------------- IDIOT SIGHTING #3: FIDONEWS 18-01 Page 13 13 Nov 2000 At a good-bye luncheon for an old and dear co-worker who was let go by the company due to "down-sizing", our manager commented cheerfully, "This is fun. We should do this more often". Not a word was spoken. We all just looked at each other with that deer-in-the-headlights stare. -------------------------------------------------------------------- IDIOT SIGHTING #4: I work with an individual who plugged her power strip back into itself and for the life of her couldn't understand why her system would not turn on. -------------------------------------------------------------------- IDIOT SIGHTING #5: When my husband and I arrived at an automobile dealership to pick up our car, we were told the keys had been locked in it. We went to the service department and found a mechanic working feverishly to unlock the driver's side door. As I watched from the passenger side, I instinctively tried the door handle and discovered that it was unlocked. "Hey," I announced to the technician, "It's open!" To which he replied, "I know - I already got that side." -------------------------------------------------------------------- NOW DON'T YOU FEEL BETTER? 8^) ~~~~~~~~~~end~~~~~~~~~~ ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 18-01 Page 14 13 Nov 2000 ================================================================= QUESTION OF THE WEEK ================================================================= By: Ian Moote To: LEE AYRTON Re: What do you think??? 01 [...] The other side of the coin, of course, is that I think we also need to ask whether any of those older 8-bit systems are still members of FidoNet. I mean, if they're not then maybe we should take this opportunity to consider some _real_ technical improvements! [:) [....] I did also, as you say, come across a couple of websites which were offering the current FidoNews online, ostensibly in HTML format (although perhaps merely in 
formated monospaced text).

     You've got me wondering, however, whether anyone has made a .PDF ->
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     .HTML converter. They've done .PDF -> .TXT, why not HTML????
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     (10700) Sat 11 Nov 00  7:16p
     By: brenda donovan
     To: All
     Re: Version C.
     St:
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     this is just a draft and it's getting reviewed and updated even now.
     Some things are being clarified better.

     If you have any input, please say so and comment on it.


      * Forwarded from "Z1REGCON"
      * Original by Carol Shenkenberger (1:275/100)
      * Original to All
      * Original dated Fri 10 Nov 2000  7:51p

      -+- Forwarded message follows: -+-

     Lets see if this one suits 'well enough'.  Tweaking of dates based on
     how fast folks here can say they like it.

     Draft 1, 10NOV Version C- RC's choicebased on region input. (notes,
     timetable to be adjusted later)

                      ZONE 1 COORDINATOR ELECTION - 2000

        The Z1C has announced an election, for a new Z1C. Per Policy4, the
     ZC is elected by the RC's under them.  It is the choice of the RC's to
     do this by the following method per P4 section 6.2.

        A Z1 Sysop is defined as any Sysop who is nodelisted and located
     within the normal geographical boundries of zone 1.

        The nodelist used will be the nodelist.### version.  Reasonable
     exceptions will be made if a node or net is accidently dropped from
     this version.  The term 'nodelisted' means listed in this version of
     the nodelist.

                                 Nominations

               Nominating time table: NOV 12-25, 2000
               All dates start at 00:00 and end at 00:00 EST

         Any nodelisted Z1 Sysop of Fidonet may nominate themselves or
     another nodelisted Sysop of Z1 Fidonet for the position of Z1C.  The
     nomination must be made in the Z1C_Election echo and be addressed to
     the Election Coordinator.

     (edit note, 2 assistants have volunteered and could be used at this
     phase?)

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         The nomination must include the name of the nominee and their
     Fidonet node number.

         Once a nomination has been received by the election coordinator,
     the nominee's name will be added to the list.  The nomination must
     then be accepted by the nominee and seconded by a Z1 Sysop in the echo
     to become a fully eligible candidate.

                Discussion Period NOV 26- DEC 02, 2000
               All dates start at 00:00 and end at 00:00 EST

         Following the nomination period, a period shall be allowed for
         each candidate to campaign for the position.  During this
         period, questioning of the candidates is encouraged.  Flaming
         is not.

               Regional Feedback Period  DEC 03-16, 2000
               All dates start at 00:00 and end at 00:00 EST

         Following the campaign period, a period shall be allowed for each
     region to conduct selection proceedings in accordance with regional
     policy and such methods as are determined as appropriate based on
     regional policy or the desires of the Sysops within that region.

         Your RC will inform you on exactly how this is to be done.

             Regional Coordinator Voting - DEC 17-22, 2000
               All dates start at 00:00 and end at 00:00 EST

         Following collection of regional input, the RC's shall cast their
     vote in the Z1C_ELECTION echo.  The candidate with the most votes,
     wins.  If there is a tie and there are more than 2 candidates, a
     revote with the top 2 candidates will commence.

                            Term begin/end:

         Upon completion of the election, the newly elected Z1C's term
     begins as soon as turnover can be accomplished.


         Z1C Election Coordinator - 2000

     -!- Telegard v3.09.g2-sp4 ! Origin: SHENK'S EXPRESS Norfolk VA
     757-486-3057 28.8 Dual (1:275/100)

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         Net 140:  http://www.nwstar.com/~net140
       Region 18:  http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/

       Region 19:  http://bise.tzo.com/r19
         Net 124:  http://www.startext.net/np/net124
                   http://texoma.net/~flv
         Net 130:  http://www.startext.net/homes/net130
         Net 393:  http://www.chatter.com/~wb/

     Zone 2:       http://www.z2.fidonet.org
                   ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/zone2 (Z2 nodelists etc.)
       Region 20:  http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)
       Region 23:  http://www.fido.dk (in Danish)

       Region 24:  http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
                   http://www.was-ist-fido.de/
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         Fido-IP:  http://home.nrh.de/fido/ (English/German)
       Region 25:  http://www.literary.freeserve.co.uk/net2502/
       Region 26:  http://www.nemesis.ie
          REC 26:  http://www.nrgsys.com/orb
       Region 27:  http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm
       Region 29:  http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/  (French)
                   http://Welcome.to/skynetbbs/
       Region 30:  http://www.fidonet.ch  (German)
     ? Region 33:  http://www.fidoitalia.net  (Italian)
       Region 34:  http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm  (Spanish)
           REC34:  http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/4552/
       Region 36:  http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/
       Region 38:  http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html
       Region 41:  http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)
       Region 42:  http://www.fido.cz
     !    Net422:  http://www.fido.sk (Slovak/English)
       Region 50:  http://www.fido7.com/  (Russian)
        Net 5010:  http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/  (Russian)
        Net 5015:  http://www.fido.nnov.ru/  (Russian)
        Net 5028:  http://5028.yaroslavl.ru/
        Net 5030:  http://kenga.ru/fido/  (Russian & English)
        Net 5049:  http://www.n5049.z2.fidonet.org  (English/Russian)
        Net 5074:  http://www.z2.n5074.fidonet.net
     ??  Net 5085:  http://www.fidonet.uz/ (Russian)

     Zone 3:       http://www.z3.fidonet.org

     Zone 4:
       Region 80:  http://fidobrasil.8m.com  (Portuguese)
       Region 90:
         Net 904:  http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)

     Zone 5:       http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/

     Zone 6:       http://www.z6.fidonet.org
       Region 65:  http://www.cfido.com/fidonet/cfidochina.html
                   (Chinese)


                          Fidonet Via Internet Hubs

     See also: http://www.osirusoft.com/fidoip.html

     a @ preceding an individual's name implies a virtual email
     address. The email is translated as follows
     firstlast@osirusoft.com will automatically route to the
     appropriate individual's email.  Anyone in this list will
     also receive routed notice of this feature.  In my case, it
     would still be joejared@osirusoft.com, but you get the idea.

     Also, as information is provided to me, I will be adding a
     latency field to each node, which is defined as the maximum
     time between when the message is received, and when it is
     sent on to other nodes, or available to be sent onward,
     defined in minutes. A latency of ! implies that there is an
     immediate response, and an attempt to deliver immediately
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     after processing, or a "MinuteMail System", as it were.

                v-email flag firstnamelastname@osirusoft.com
                | email address or
     Node#      | Operator          | Facilities (*) | Speed,| Basic Rate
                |                   |                |latency|
     -----------+-------------------+----------------+-------+------------
     Zone 1     |                   |                |       |
       10/3     | Brenda Donovan    | FTP,UUE,BinkP  | 384K,30| n/c
       10/345   @ Todd Cochrane     | FTP,BinkP,VMOT | T1,!  | n/c
       12/12    @ Ken Wilson        | FTP            | T1    | $24mo.
       13/25    @ Jim Balcom        | FTP            | 56k   | $20mo.
      19/68     | Ben Ritchey       | UUE:BFDS       | 33.6k | n/c
      103/5     @ Mark Luetger      | BinkP          | 384k,!| n/c
      103/153   @ Michael Box       | BinkP          | aDSL,!| n/c
      103/301   @ Joe Jared         | BinkP,FTP,NFS  | 384k,!| n/c
      103/401   @ Warren Bonner     | BinkP          | aDSL,!| n/c
      105/8     | Russ Johnson      | FTP,BinkP,VMoT | 384k  | n/c
      105/72    @ Larry James       | FTP, BinkP     | aDSL  | $50/yr
      106/1     @ Steve Loupe       | BinkP, FTP     | 128k  | ???
      106/6018  | Lawrence Garvin   | FTP, VMoT      | aDSL,60| n/c
      107/453   @ Jeffrey Estevez| FTP,BinkP,VMoT,UUE| 56k,60| $10 mo.
      140/1     @ Bob Seaborn       | FTP,BinkP      | T3,30 | $5/$16
      167/133   | Stephen Monteith  | BinkP          | 128k+ | n/c
      211/417   @ Korombos          | BinkP,UUE,FTP  | T1    | n/c
      218/109   @ Matt Munson       | BinkP,UUE      | 33.6k | n/c
      246/160   @ Mason Vye         | FTP, UUE       | 56K   | n/c
      249/116   | Carl Austin Bennett | FTP, UUE    |ADSL,60 | n/c
      280/169   | Brian Greenstreet | FTP            | 33.6  | $2mo.
      342/3     @ Richard Dodsworth | BinkP,FTP      | 128K+ | n/c
      395/670   | Arthur Stark      | BinkD,FTP      | 128k  | n/c
      379/1     @ Dale Ross         | FTP, BinkP,UUE | 256K+,! n/c
      396/1     @ John Souvestre    | FTP,VMoT       | T1,10 | $5/mo
      396/45    | Marc Lewis        | UUE            | 33.6  | $26/yr
     2604/104   @ Jim Mclaughlin    | FTP,VMoT,UUE   | 33.6  | $1mo
     2613/404   @ David Moufarrege  | BinkP,FTP,VMoT | 128k+,!| n/c
     2624/306   | David Calafrancesco  | VMoT        | 33.6  | n/c
     3613/2     @ jyates@bsdi.ldl.net | UUE            | 28.8  | n/c
     3632/84    | Robert Todd    |FTP,VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 57.6k | n/c
     3639/93    @ Ross Cassell      | FTP, BinkP     |128K+,!| n/c
     3651/9     @ Jerry Gause       | FTP,VMoT       | 33.6  | $3/$6
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 2     |
       20/11    | Henrik Lindhe     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
       31/1     | Gabriel Plutzar   | BinkP          | T1+   | n/c
      203/600   | Mikael Karlsson   | UUE            | 64k   | n/c
      221/360   @ Tommi Koivula     | BinkP,UUE      | ???   | n/c
      236/205   @ Michael Kaaber    | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      246/2098  | Volker Imre       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      280/1601  @ Jeroen VanDeLeur  | FTP,UUE        | 64k   | n/c
      292/620   | Eddy Missoul      | VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 64k   |N/C
      292/624   | Steven Leeman     | UUE          | 64k     | N/C
      292/907   | Bart Verhaeghe    | BinkP,VMoT,UUE | 64K   | n/c
      292/2003  | Eric Vaneberck    | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
      301/1     | Peter Witschi     | BinkP          | 768k  | n/c
      332/807   | Roberto Mascolo   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
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      335/535   @ Mario Mure        | BinkP,VMot,UUE | 64k   | n/c
      335/610   | Gino Lucrezi      | UUE            | 33.6  | n/c
      344/201   | Julio Garcia      | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      346/3     @ Carlos Navarro    | UUE            | ???   | n/c
      382/100   | Sinisa Burina     | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      406/555   | Ofir Michaeli &   | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      406/555   | Marius Kaizerman  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      423/81    | Milos Bajer       | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
      464/4077  | Serguei Trouchelle| UUE            | 19.2  | n/c
      465/204   | Va Milushnikov    | BinkP          | 33.6k | n/c
      469/84    | Max Masyutin      | VMoT           | 256k  | n/c
      480/112   | Adam Sarapata| FTP, VMoT, UUE,BinkP| 128k  | n/c
     2411/413   @ Dennis Dittrich   | UUE,BinkP      | 64k   | n/c
     2446/301   @ Lothar Behet      | BinkP,VMoT,UUE,FTP | 64K   | n/c
     2474/275   | Christian Emig    | UUE            | 64k   | unkn
     5030/115   | Andrey Podkolzin  | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5100/8     | Egons Bush        | BinkP          | ???   | n/c
     5020/1159  | Gennady Kudryashoff | UUE          | 33.6  | n/c
     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 3
      633/260   @ Malcolm Miles     | FTP,BinkP      | 64K   | n/c
      640/954   | Rick Van Ruth     | FTP,VMot,UUE,BinkP| 56K| n/c
      774/605   @ Barry Blackford|BinkP,VMoT:10023,ifcico,FTP |33.6| n/c

     --------------------------------------------------------------
     Zone 4
      905/100   | Fabian Gervan     | VMoT,UUE,BinkP | 128k  | n/c
      902/18    | Javier Tejedor    | UUE            | 33,6  | n/c

     --
     * FTP   = Internet File Transfer Protocol
     * VMoT  = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
     * UUE   = uuencode<->email type transfers
     * BinkP = front end mailer for TCPIP networks
     * NFS   = Linux Networking
     ----------------------------------------------
     Fidonet oriented news servers

     news.osirusoft.com
     news.tardis.net

     Fidonet oriented chat rooms.

     room #fidonet  5PM (PDT 11AM GMT) Sundays
     irc.osirusoft.com  (Peers wanted)

     ----------------------------------------------

     Please send updates, corrections and suggestions to
     Joe Jared, 1:103/301, joejared@osirusoft.com.  All email addresses
     here for purpose of corresponding with fidonet members about
     obtaining a feed.  Improper use of the virtual email addresses, and
     most especially, email addressed to blockme@relays.osirusoft.com
     will be considered a request to be blocked by my open relay spam
     stopper at http://relays.osirusoft.com

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