Text 11790, 149 rader
Skriven 2006-06-25 08:03:22 av Robert Comer (1:379/45)
  Kommentar till text 11789 av Mark (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: AT&T - we own your records sucker!!!
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From: "Robert Comer" <bobcomer@mindspring.com>

> Bob, The way I see it, you're worried that the government will
> inadvertently, while mining for terrorists, find out that you like sardine
> and cream cheese sandwiches on pumpernickel bread, and surely that
> information would be extremely embarrassing <g>

So privacy isn't important to you, well, that's not the way I feel and it's
certainly not the way our country was set up -- the individual is supposed to
count.  It's true I have nothing to hide, and nothing to be embarrassed about,
but it's the principle of the thing.  You give them this much they'll take
more...

> I worry that your, and your cohorts, efforts to prevent the government
> from finding out that embarrassing information inadvertently, thus
> preventing their efficient gathering of intelligence against the enemies
> as well, will get you and me both killed on our way down to the deli to
> buy same sandwich. i.e. I don't give a flying fig if the government finds
> out I like weird food by accident, and I welcome their laughing at those
> choices if they so choose, but in return for their amusement, I also
> expect them to make sure I can get to that deli and buy what I want
> without dying en route.

Then the terrorists have beaten you -- you're afraid of them enough to give up
everything.

> I'm sure you don't agree, as it appears your "privacy" is more important
> than life,

Give me liberty or give me death.

>You may see it my way in your own evolution, or not, but there's not any
>argument in present time that will change your, or my, mind.

Yep, one has decide what to give up, or not.

--
Bob Comer





"Mark" <nomail@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:449e0ccb@w3.nls.net...
> Bob, The way I see it, you're worried that the government will
> inadvertently, while mining for terrorists, find out that you like sardine
> and cream cheese sandwiches on pumpernickel bread, and surely that
> information would be extremely embarrassing <g>
>
> I worry that your, and your cohorts, efforts to prevent the government
> from finding out that embarrassing information inadvertently, thus
> preventing their efficient gathering of intelligence against the enemies
> as well, will get you and me both killed on our way down to the deli to
> buy same sandwich. i.e. I don't give a flying fig if the government finds
> out I like weird food by accident, and I welcome their laughing at those
> choices if they so choose, but in return for their amusement, I also
> expect them to make sure I can get to that deli and buy what I want
> without dying en route.
>
> I'm sure you don't agree, as it appears your "privacy" is more important
> than life, and I understand your point of view, I used to share it. You
> may see it my way in your own evolution, or not, but there's not any
> argument in present time that will change your, or my, mind.
>
>
> "Robert Comer" <bobcomer@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:449d2f65@w3.nls.net...
>>> I'm pretty sure I'm missing something, direction/context or something in
>>> your post Bob. By "he" do you mean me or John?
>>
>> You.  I don't understand why you're so afraid of the terrorists that you
>> are willing to give up what this country stands for so willingly.
>>
>>> What I'm afraid of is having to barricade myself in down the road, after
>>> every single frigging effort the government attempts to use to nail the
>>> bastards, while there's still time to save our way of life as we know
>>> it, is leaked by moles inside the government and published by the NYTs,
>>> thus placing us all (troops first, for now) at greater risk of loss of
>>> life.
>>
>> That's just it, it appears you want to give up our way of life to stop
>> the terrorists, that's just not understandable to me.  The chances of
>> them doing just that is so vanishingly small that I don't want to give up
>> anything to protect against them.
>>
>> And as for our government, they're the ones pissing the Arabs off -- and
>> more of a cause of terrorism than probably anything else.  Karzai said it
>> yesterday, us fighting terrorism like this is not the way to go, we have
>> to get to the root of the problem and fix that, not just senselessly
>> killing each other.
>>
>>> All because too many (well, yes "too many" but the polls showed that an
>>> overwhelming majority had no problem with the NSA program, and an even
>>> higher percentage will find favor with the latest leaked program -- now
>>> rendered useless) ...
>>
>> I could care less what the sheeple say they like, what the government is
>> doing *wrong* and very un-American.
>>
>> --
>> Bob Comer
>>
>>
>> "Mark" <nomail@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:449cb146@w3.nls.net...
>>>
>>> "Robert Comer" <bobcomer@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>>> news:449caa0b$1@w3.nls.net...
>>>>I think I said that because I've questioned him on the same concept and
>>>>not in much nicer words either. <associative guilt I guess>
>>>>
>>>> I really don't know why he's so afraid of terrorists.  Sorry Mark, but
>>>> I *really* don't understand.
>>>
>>> I'm pretty sure I'm missing something, direction/context or something in
>>> your post Bob. By "he" do you mean me or John?
>>>
>>> If you mean me, not at all, no fear whatsoever. My original point was
>>> that AT&T doesn't want to get hit with a bunch of frivolous lawsuits
>>> (like Verizon et al. did when the NYTs undermined our national security
>>> with their leak prior to this latest one) because they let the
>>> government look at communications by terrorists, or allowed a look to
>>> chase down a potential terrorist, so they're changing their privacy
>>> policy to try and avoid a few billion dollars in lawyer fees, they'll
>>> still have to spend millions regardless and all of our phone bills will
>>> go up because of it, just not as much.
>>>
>>> What I'm afraid of is having to barricade myself in down the road, after
>>> every single frigging effort the government attempts to use to nail the
>>> bastards, while there's still time to save our way of life as we know
>>> it, is leaked by moles inside the government and published by the NYTs,
>>> thus placing us all (troops first, for now) at greater risk of loss of
>>> life.
>>>
>>> All because too many (well, yes "too many" but the polls showed that an
>>> overwhelming majority had no problem with the NSA program, and an even
>>> higher percentage will find favor with the latest leaked program -- now
>>> rendered useless) of us everyday law abiding citizens are worried that
>>> "Bush" will find out we like "Noritake" china, or shopping "Blue Light"
>>> specials at Kmart. They already know that stuff anyway, and they don't
>>> care, nor should we -- this our government working to protect us, not
>>> indict us for nothing.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

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