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Skriven 2007-02-27 14:05:28 av Shawn Bush (15.amateurr)
    Kommentar till text 479 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
Ärende: Offensive Topics
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  Re: Offensive Topics
  By: Michiel van der Vlist to PETER COGGON on Sat Feb 24 2007 09:44:00

Well as a new reader to the echo, can I say this one word that may sum it all
up.  [Common Sence] AKA Okay it was two words but you get the point!


 > Hello PETER!
 > 
 > On Friday February 23 2007 19:55, you wrote to me:
 > 
 >  PC>>    So if this is monitored, then the sysop of the local BBS who
 >  PC>> carrys the message with this content is also "yellow carded"?
 > 
 >  MVDV>> I am not sure what you mean. Local BBS? We are talking packet
 >  MVDV>> here are we?
 > 
 >  PC>   Yes, I am talking Packet Radio.   I say Local BBS, as I connect to
 >  PC> a on-air Packet BBS station located some miles to the south <40miles>
 >  PC> FBB BBS software  VE3YRA BBS in Aurora Ontario Canada.
 > 
 > Ah, a packet radio BBS. Yes of course why didn't I think of that. (Probably
 > because over hgere the Internet all killed them...)
 > 
 >  PC> While the packet station is owned by the local Ham Radio Club, there
 >  PC> is a sysop, and when the packet station transmits messages, and I
 >  PC> download them,  well if I believe there are rules for sysops, and
 >  PC> I know the sysop DOES monitor what is posted, would not the originator
 >  PC> of the message and the sysop be "yellow carded" for issueing the
 >  PC> offensive illegal message, as well the sysop for allowing the station
 >  PC> under his/her care to transmit it.
 > 
 > Yes. But... Tne normal way of operating a packet BBS in unmanned. And for th
 > we have special licenses. If you run an unmanned station, such as a packet B
 > or an FM repeater, you need a special lisence because a normal lisence requi
 > you to be present at the station at all times that it is on the air. The
 > special license does not require constant presence and absolves the licensee
 > from responsibility for the content of the transmission. On the downside the
 > are additional restrictions such as the use of the assigned frequency, limit
 > power, height and gain of antenne, etc, etc.
 > 
 > But in case of a packet radio BBS or an FM repeater or similar operating und
 > such a special lisence, only the originator of the offending message would b
 > held resposible for the content.
 > 
 >  PC> So often over here, we read postings from sysops, that they had to
 >  PC> purge, delete messages they did not deem fit to be on their BBS ...
 > 
 > The sysop still has that choice of course. It is his system, he can delete w
 > he wants.
 > 
 > There have been cases here where the authorities requested the owner of an F
 > repeater to shut it down for a limited period of time because of excessive
 > abuse. As the owners always honoured the request there never evolved a "case
 > around it. I suspect if an owner would refuse, the end result would have bee
 > suspension of the special license, but it was never put to the test.
 > 
 >  PC>>   <Sorry it reminds me of football as the world knows it...or
 >  PC>> Soccer as they call it in NA...>
 > 
 >  MVDV>> Yep football (European) is where the term comes form. Yellow
 >  MVDV>> card = warning. Red card -> out.
 > 
 >  PC>     Aaw yes...my wife loves FOOTBALL as the world knows it.  She
 >  PC> is big fan, and just goes nuts here in the home following her
 >  PC> favourite team <*GRIN*>     Our agency here sends the licencee here a
 >  PC> registered letter, informing them of the offence...usually a warning,
 >  PC> but sometimes requesting an answer.   I do like the card idea ...
 > 
 > Actually I do not know if it is just a figure of speech. Yes, in football th
 > referee hold up a yellow card for all to see, but I do not know if an offend
 > of the radio regulations also actually gets a yellow card. I never got a
 > warning, and gellow hams usually do not brag about getting official warnings
 > so I never saw the "yellow card". It coul very well just be an ordinary lett
 > "getting a yellow card" has become a general term for getting a warning.
 > 
 > 
 >  MVDV>> I fail to see how pleading freedom of speech would help. It is
 >  MVDV>> in the license conditions. The licensee accepted those
 >  MVDV>> conditions when accepting the license.
 > 
 >  PC>   Well his Freedom of Speech is ok for the UK,
 > 
 > Freedom of speech does not mean that one can say anything one wants anywhere
 > anytime. I think even in the UK it would be unwise to shout "FIRE" in a crow
 > theatre. Unless of course there actually is a fire...
 > 
 > In addition to that, freedom of speech does not imply an obligation to provi
 > someone wanting to say something with a soapbox.
 > 
 > Cheers, Michiel
 > 

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