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AAA NEWS FOR OCTOBER 2005
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 John Pazmino
 NYSkies
 nyskiesastronomy@earthlink.net

     A relatively quiet month at Amateur Astronomers Association Inc.
The main activity is the dialog between Tom Clabough and Richard 
Rosenberg & Dan Harrison in the NYSkies Yahoogroup forum.

 = = = = = 
   Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:05:23 -0000 
   From: "tom_c_nyc" <tom_c_nyc@yahoo.com>
 Subject: RE: eviction revoked? 

<richard_rosenberg@i...> wrote: >This is the case because you are 
publicly hostile to the AAA. >You violated that agreement and must pay 
the consequences. 

Rich, the AAA has several members of its Board of Directors who are 
publicly hostile to individuals. Why is this acceptable? Aren't there 
any agreements within the AAA leadership that its Board members not be 
so gd nasty to people? Or that THEY pay the consequences when they 
violate any such agreements? If you seriously want the healing process 
to begin, you must address the personality problems within your own 
organization too. These will not go away by ignoring them, as we 
recently saw. 

Tom C. 

--- In nysky@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Rosenberg" 
<richard_rosenberg@i...> wrote:

Hi John, 

Since you're going to put my response to you on NYSkies, I thought I'd 
put it there directly, saving you the trouble. 

I have continued to read the communications on this list, and have 
occasionally contributed myself.  If you have a problem with this, I 
will reluctantly remove myself from the list. 

I'm afraid you continue to be unwelcome at the Observers Group and 
other AAA activities.  This is the case because you are publicly 
hostile to the AAA.  It is inconsistent and in my view unethical to 
simultaneously damage an organization and take advantage of its 
offerings. 

After your expulsion from the club, I did allow you to remain at a 
meeting you broke into.  This was on the condition that you not use 
your attendance at the meeting to cause damage to the club.  You 
violated that agreement and must pay the consequences. 

John, there's nothing I would like better if you could rejoin and 
contribute to a better AAA.  No one denies your knowledge of astronomy 
and your generosity in sharing that knowledge.  But as long as you 
continue this vendetta (and I understand you're not the only one) I 
think you and the AAA must go separate ways until you have a change of 
heart. 

Rich 
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 From: John Pazmino [mailto:john.pazmino@f...]
 Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 6:00 PM
 To: Richard_rosenberg@i...
 Subject: eviction revoked? 

    Hi, Richy. I'm pleased to notice your letter in NYSkies, copied 
below. However, I didn't yet get a revocation of your 'eviction' 
threat from March 2005. Recall that at that time you based your action 
on a difference of opinion? 
    If I missed the withdrawal, please send it to me again. I will want 
to acknowledge it in NYSkies. 
    Otherwise, I have no problem with showing both your present and 
March letter in comparison. 

 = = = = = 

    Clabough questions Richy about the conduct expected of AAA Board 
members. This is in reaction to Rosenberg's pretention that John 
Pazmino somehow agreed to forgo his right of criticism to attend 
Richy's Observing Group meetings. 
    Rosenberg in the original letter from late August, quoted by 
Clabough, spills out in the very first sentence, 'Since you're going 
to put my response to you on NYSkies, I thought I'd put it there [in 
NYSkies] directly, saving you the trouble.' 
    Well! Richard can express his views openly, freely, safely in
NYSkies but he reprises against those who do so in AAA. Thank you, my
richard, for demonstrating the despotic mindset of AAA Inc! 

 Continued in next message.

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