Text 11046, 89 rader
Skriven 2007-01-29 12:38:18 av Charlie Edmondson (14483.babylon5)
  Kommentar till text 10820 av rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated (14257.babylon5)
Ärende: Re: Shades of offensive language WAS Re: Shades of "12 Angry Men (1957)
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Amy Guskin wrote:

>>>On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 12:28:38 -0500, lizardgirl wrote
> 
> (in article <1169832518.140134.136390@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>):
> 
> 
>>
>>On Jan 26, 9:05 am, "Bill" <beastmachin...@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Jan 25, 11:24 pm, "Soundy" <soundy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>For that matter, the second half of the hyphenation is supposed to
>>>>indicate their CURRENT location/nationality-of-choice/whatever... so
>>>>what's a black person living in Zimbabwe?  African-African?  Would a
>>>>white person in Zaire be an American-African?  What if he's actually
>>>>from Sweden?  How do you know?Another question just as valid: What do you 
>>>>do with a mutt like me? Am
>>>
>>>I really supposed to be and Italian/Welsh/Russian Jewish-American?
>>>
>>>Actually, I suppose that should be Italian/Welsh/Ukranian
>>>Jewish-American since my mother's side of the family came from Kiev. Oy
>>>vey!
>>>
>>>I was born in the US therefore I am an American.
>>>
>>>Bill
>>
>>
>>
>>just to move things in a slightly different direction... what if you
>>came to this country (the US) at the age of 6 months and although you
>>understand your 'country of origin' is elswhere you speak only english.
>> nor does any paper work exist that qaulifies you as one thing or
>>another.  are you an american?
>>
>>
>>the reason i ask is, here in colorado, there have been instances when
>>students have applied to college only to be deported to countries they
>>have never been to because they can not 'prove' they are here legally.
>>often these are students who are here 'illegally'  through no fault of
>>there own.  they have never been in trouble, worked part-time jobs
>>after school, pay taxes, and have planned for a 'better' future then
>>their parents had all their lives.  they embody the american dream.
>>should they be denied it?  <<
> 
> 
> First off, this sounds a little urban legendy to me: do we have any specific 
> citations, or even a name I could look up?
> 
> In the next case, I'm afraid I may have to side with our conservative friends

> on this one.  If they're in college, they're adults.  As adults, they're 
> responsible for knowing the law, and staying on the right side of it.  Are 
> you saying that they don't actually _know_ that they're here illegally?  As 
> in, their parents have been lying to them for their entire lives about their 
> own (the parents') citizenship?  When you say they cannot prove they are here

> legally, I assume you're saying they don't have a birth certificate.  If it 
> were me and my parents were being cagey about my birth certificate, and they 
> emigrated from another country fairly recently (say, two decades), I'd be 
> suspicious and would probably look into it.  But that's just me.
> 
> I'm just a little lost on this -- it seems like there are a lot of holes in 
> this tale.  Too many for me to make a well-informed judgement either way.
> 
> Amy
Hey, I grew up as a typical suburban family, Mom, Dad, five kids.  I 
then found out I had a half bro and sis on my Moms side, when I was 
about 12.  Discovered I had ANOTHER half bro and sis at 22 (when she 
came to visit my dad, at the same time I happened to be there.  After 
she left, I found out about the other half brother, whom I have never met!)

Then, after my Dad and Mom passed away, I finally found out that my 
oldest sister was only a half sister (Mom's side...) and that, due to 
messy problems with the respective divorces back in the fifties, my 
folks had never gotten around to actually getting married!  This had 
cost my mom a significant piece of income after Dad had passed on, since 
she was unable to claim survivors benefits.  It was too embarrassing to 
contest the matter, and get a legal determination of common law marriage...

So, it isn't that far fetched to me for kids to find out that they are 
illegal!

Charlie
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