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"Vorlonagent" <nojtspam@otfresno.com> wrote in message 
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> "Carl" <cengman7@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
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>> I learn more from my failures.  The more spectacular the failure might
>> bring the most profound lesson.  Perhaps it's too difficult to reflect 
>> the
>> consequences of such a lesson over a longer period of time?
>>
>> I suppose I'm underestimating the constraints of comics.
>
> You are allowed to change and grow without limit.  Characters have and 
> must have constraints on how much they do or they cease to be 
> recognizable.
>
> That said, you have a point.

A character can evolve slowly and still keep certain core characteristics 
without
being unrecognizable.  Slowly means more than over two or three issues,
so I suppose that makes it hard.  I guess it's hard to do subtle in comics.


>
>>> You can't reflect what you can't or won't see.
>>
>> So who are the truly "blind" then?  It appears blind doesn't mean
>> innocent, it means excessively cynical and bitter.
>
> Depends on who's doing the defining.  One man's edgy intictment of 
> american culture is another man's political screed masquerading as art.
>
> Most of us think we're very clear-sighted.

Getting back to Heinlein, I seem to recall a reference to someone called a 
"True Witness."  You could never get them to testify to anything they didn't 
absolutely see first hand.  If you were with a True Witness behind a white 
house and asked the True Witness what color the house was, they would reply 
"The south side of the house appears white to me right now under these 
lighting conditions," or something like that.

Of course it's inevitable and necessary...you can't go through life in "True 
Witness" mode, but at the same time people need to recognize that no matter 
how clearly you see something in front of you, you're not seeing everything, 
and how you interpret everything else is assumption or incomplete 
interpretation.

Boy did that get beyond the scope of comics.  :)

>>> I work in the video game trade.  I think there's a self-feeding cycle 
>>> here and it isn't any one factor driving it.  There's a taste for it out 
>>> there, so it is delivered.  The taste of greater stimulation is there as 
>>> is the desire to compete for the dollars.
>>>
>>> Society is not allowed to restrian freedom of expression
>>
>> Sure it is, ask Imus.  You're not allowed to say things that
>> are not PC without people calling for your job or your head.
>
> Do you honestly think he's getting more than a slap on the wrist here?

No, he makes too much money.  If he didn't have big ratings he'd have been 
out the door that day.

Still, society these days is waiting to pounce on anyone that expresses a 
non-PC word.


> The suits are packing him away till it drops off the news cycle and they 
> can put him back on the air and pretend his little bout of name-calling 
> never happened.
>
>
>> Disclaimer: I've never listened to his show.
>
> Me either.
>
>
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>>>> Steve Rogers is only out of touch with the times if he's written that 
>>>> way. I don't recall him being stupid or unable to learn, simply that 
>>>> the prism through which he sees the world was includes WW II as a frame 
>>>> of reference. Why couldn't someone write a story in which he goes in 
>>>> certain of his position, fighting for what he thinks is right, only to 
>>>> find out the issue isn't right vs wrong?
>>>
>>> Been there, done that plenty of times.  The US government went as far as 
>>> to strip him of the Captain America title for a while.
>>
>> How did his character change from that experience?
>
> I don't know.  He adopted a different name, Tony Stark made him an 
> adamantium shield.  I didn't follow the plot through.  The guy they 
> installed as Captain America is, IIRC, know today as USAgent, but I could 
> be crossing up my comics lore too.  I know the guy is still around.
>
>
>>> It's what and who Stever Rogers represents that is the problem.
>>
>> America has to represent the bad guy these days?  I suppose that matches
>> the news.
>
> Many writers and artistic persons take a left-of-center view of the world. 
> Current US leftism carries an undertone of condemnation toward the US.

Any other time I could easily go down this path, but I find myself reluctant
to open this can of worms right now.

<snip for brevity>

>>> I won't gall you with the details of the Thor clone or the heroes the 
>>> clone killed.
>>
>> I was told that Iron Man did that.  I have this image of Iron Man face 
>> down on the ground, Thor's foot on his back, taking his hammer and using 
>> it like a mallet and sending Stark's head flying...
>>
>> But that wouldn't exactly be noble... Damn.
>
> See how easy it is?  How satisfying a dark fantasy can be?  It's good as a 
> spice, but it's served as main course right now.

A whole Marvel universe of characters acting as "Wolverine light."

I hope things improve in the Marvel universe.

Carl

"With my shield or on it."
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