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Skriven 2006-06-02 21:21:00 av Robert E Starr JR (1802.babylon5)
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"Paul Harper" <paul@harper.net> wrote in message 
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> Vorlonagent wrote:
>
>> A good answer would be something like a quck set of highlights.  "he's 
>> very
>> complete.  he coveres the warming climate and how CO2 emissions 
>> exacerbate
>> an already warming planet, makes a good case for strong human influnce on
>> climate and gives good play to the shortcomings in the case for global
>> warming".  A description like that would pique my interest.
>
> Okay, you want me to review a programme that you are, by your own
> admission, too lazy to watch yourself. Fine:

Wow.  Another personal attack.  To hear you talk, I must have some array of 
personal problems that keep me from having an interest in hearing the same 
thing over and over.

What I wanted was some indication that the program contains something beyond 
boilerplate global-warming orthodoxy.  If you want my interest, you have to 
give me something new.  New information, new perspective, something.

Pardon me for having no interest in same-old, same-old repackeged with "new, 
improved!" on the box.

Now let's take a look at your description and see if there's anything new 
under the sun.


> Attenborough says quite clearly that over the millennia the Earth's
> climate has changed - he uses the example of NYC which x (can't
> remember the number) years ago whould have been at the edge of a two
> kilometre high ice sheet, and y years ago would have been under five
> metres of water. All through natural causes. The ice sheet was caused
> by a global drop of two degrees, and the water by a global rise of five
> degrees. He also gives the example of the rampant plant live at the
> start of the carboniferous period (whatever its proper scientific name)
> absorbing so much of the atmosphere's carbon dioxide that the planet
> cooled, and the plants pretty much died off - causing all the oil, gas
> and coal that we so freely use today - allowing the CO2 levels to
> restore to a reasonable level.
>
> So, having set the stage for the effects, timescale, naturalness and
> range of climate effects that nature has already in the pastgiven us,
> he then examines the degree that temperatures have changed (0.6 degree
> rise since 1900) and are expected to change given our current and
> anticipated greenhouse gas emissions (2 to 6 degree additional rise by
> 2100) because of humanity's activities.
>
> He then maps these changes to known effects from the planets history
> and anticipates the effects it will have on the planet in the future,
> ranging from temperature changes affecting plant and animal life, to
> weather changes like hurricanes caused by warmer seas to sea level
> changes caused by melting ice.
>
> I found it quite a convincing argument, but I very much doubt you will
> believe a word of it because you don't *want* to. And that's why you
> don't want to see the Gore piece, or watch the BBC programme.

You dislike people telling you what you think, yet feel free to do the same 
thing to others.

Interesting.

Did Attenborough trace the rise in global temperature throughout the 20th 
century?  On a decade by decade basis you'll find temperature rose more in 
the first part of the 20th century even though more CO2 output increases in 
the later part.

Does Attenborough examine the "mini ice age" of the 1700s and account for 
how much of global warming is simply the planet coming out of an extended 
cold period?


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