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Skriven 2007-05-10 11:37:58 av Amy Guskin (709.babylon5)
     Kommentar till en text av rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated
Ärende: Re: OT: a proposal for increasing teachers' salaries
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>> On Wed, 9 May 2007 19:22:29 -0400, Carl wrote
(in article <F92dneEFAf8oyt_bnZ2dnUVZ_uCinZ2d@comcast.com>):

> Amy Guskin wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 8 May 2007 23:03:38 -0400, Carl wrote
>> (in article <8aGdnRCduPiUp9zbnZ2dnUVZ_hGdnZ2d@comcast.com>):
>> 
>>> Wendy of NJ wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 6 May 2007 11:40:53 -0500, "Carl" <cengman7@hotmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Amy Guskin wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 6 May 2007 00:15:00 -0400, Carl wrote
>>>>>> (in article <3cCdnSzHU73ey6DbnZ2dnUVZ_vCknZ2d@comcast.com>):
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> "Josh Hill" <usereplyto@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:lqkq33d01agchqc7hup08ssg6ujtm4c39c@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Sat, 5 May 2007 21:53:45 -0500, "Carl" <cengman7@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ------
>>>>>>>> I think there would be plenty of art if the government stayed
>>>>>>>> out of it. ------
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> But not plenty of "serious" art. At one time, that was subsidized
>>>>>>> by the aristocracy. Now that the aristocracy has faded, there's
>>>>>>> plenty of financial support for art with mass appeal, but
>>>>>>> relatively little for
>>>>>>> art of the more elevating kind.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Don't get me wrong -- I'm all in favor of Tom Clancy and J. K.
>>>>>>> Rowling. But I wouldn't want to do without Seamus Heaney and Don
>>>>>>> Giovanni.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ----
>>>>>>> We're much more likely to fund the next 5000 versions of Britney
>>>>>>> Spears. <<
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> No, we're _not_.  That's not the kind of art that gets subsidized,
>>>>>> except by the buying public.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Okay... I'll bite.  Who gets to define what art is?  WHo gets to
>>>>> decide
>>>>> who a worthy artist is?
>>>>> 
>>>>>> The point is, that is the nearly the
>>>>>> ONLY kind of music you'll get without funding/grants/subsidies.
>>>>>> Most of Handel's works were paid for by patrons -- how would you
>>>>>> feel if we didn't have those works because those patrons thought
>>>>>> that he ought to just have his day job, and that if he wanted to
>>>>>> create art he should just do it in his spare time?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Please note that a patron was not always a monarch and did not
>>>>> always imply government money, nor were Handel's works the result
>>>>> of a blanket government program for all artists.
>>>>> 
>>>>> There are galleries with shows of from new painters, photographers,
>>>>> etc.  I don't think that new musicals on broadway are government
>>>>> subsidized.   It is my undersatnding that this area has more
>>>>> theater seats than NYC does.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Also note that on PBS you are quite likely to see a tag indicating
>>>>> something like "This show brought to in part by..." which would
>>>>> seem to show that people and companies are willing to support shows
>>>>> directly other than basic sitcoms, etc.  A number of shows on cable
>>>>> channels THC, TLC, DSC, etc., are also supported in this way.
>>>> 
>>>> Excuse me, but the companies who donate their money to PBS do it
>>>> because they get a TAX BREAK.
>>>> 
>>>> the foundations exist to protect that money from the government
>>>> (it's a tax shelter).
>>> 
>>> Exactly!  So do more of that.
>>> 
>>> It's better to convince someone to donate voluntarily than it is to
>>> seize money from everyone by force. <<
>> 
>> But the government _does_ seize my money by force, for lots of things
>> that I don't want to support and don't think we need.  I'd much
>> prefer to divert some of those taxes to the arts.
> 
> The difference is that I want to return more (not all) control
> to the individual so that n this case you could create and support
> the arts yourself...and even get to choose which art *you* feel
> most deserving of support.
> 
> Some just want to to impose their idea of what's fair  an proper
> rather than accept someone else's. <<

Like taking billions and billions of our hard-earned money and shoveling it 
into Iraq to support this improper war and the killing of hundreds of 
thousands of people?  Why is _that_ okay, but it's not okay for the 
government to divert some funds to the arts?  Isn't that 
"someone...impos(ing) their idea of what's fair and proper" on _me_?

Amy
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