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Skriven 2006-06-03 16:28:00 av Robert E Starr JR (1908.babylon5)
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"Josh Hill" <usereplyto@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 1 Jun 2006 16:39:49 +0000 (UTC), "Vorlonagent"
> <jt@otfresno.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Wesley Struebing" <strueb@carpedementem.org> wrote in message
> >news:ra8s72dv7h9fnh57up3k6240q1u2iqgidj@4ax.com...
> >
> >>>At the moment, alarmists are trying to get a stempeded going.
> >>
> >> The only alarmists I've seen have been chicken Littles on the "global
> >> warming" side, who are in my viewing far outnumbered by the "hiding
> >> heads in the sand" side who stridently say, "it ain't so!  And you
> >> can't make me say it is!"
> >
> >To some people that would include me.  I don't believe you are making
that
> >assertion however.
> >
> >We don't know that humanity is/isn't the prime agent of global warming.
We
> >don't know that it is even within humanity's purview to control.  The
people
> >that think they know this stuff rely heavily on computer models which are
> >right up with with "lies, damed lies and statistics" in my view.
Mercenary
> >science whose results are bought and paid for before the research is even
> >started.
> >
> >I have a hard time believeing that "no warming" voices outnumber the
"Yes".
> >That isn't my experience.  Global Warming is the clarion call to action
for
> >the environmental movement.  It is THE BIG thing to that element of the
> >Liberal Alliance.  The Kyoto Protocols were not convened to denounce
Global
> >Warming.  Nor was the broadband Liberal denunciation of President Bush
for
> >not signing those Protocols limited to the Chicken Little crowd.  (A
> >denuciation that ignored Bill Clinton's pocket veto of Kyoto.  If Kyoto
was
> >so vital, Bush should have never had the option of declining US
> >participation)
>
> Clinton supported Kyoto, despite its flaws.
>
> As to Bush, it's hard to think of someone one wouldn't want to
> denounce him for, but Kyoto and the Administration's refusal to do
> anything about global warming and our dependency on foreign oil are
> certainly high on the list. Even his own EPA head resigned in disgust,

Well...we looked into drilling in ANWR, but folks opposed that
We'd like to drill off the Gulf coast, but folks oppose that
We'd like to set up a windfarm off the coast of Nantucket, but folks oppose
that.

<snip>
>
> >That said, taking commonsense and reasonable action to slow our emission
of
> >C02 is well and good, but when China and India take no such actions and
have
> >no such requirements imposed on them, even by Kyoto, one has to wonder
about
> >even Chicken Little priorities.
>
> Somehow, I'm not feeling particularly proud about being grouped with
> China.
>
> A. Start putting our house in order; we in the rich countries account
> for most emissions of greenhouse gases and can best afford to deal
> with them.
>
> B. Require China and India to follow suit or face punitive tariffs.

Hmm..that'd be nice
http://www.liberal.org.au/ministers_press_releases/campaign_2004/Sept09_Media_Release_-_Kyoto_Signatories_in_Danger_of_Missing_T


http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:TqpnQk8AISsJ:www.upi.com/InternationalIntelligence/view.php%3FStoryID%3D20051228-044857-1435


But maybe we'll get a chance to include China and India in 2012, when Kyoto
expires.

>
> -- 
> Josh
>
> "I'm not going to play like I've been a person who's spent hours involved
with foreign policy.
> I am who I am." - George W. Bush
>

Dennis


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