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Ärende: Re: unions
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"Josh Hill" <usereplyto@gmail.com> wrote in message 
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> On Thu, 17 May 2007 04:14:18 GMT, "Vorlonagent"
> <nojtspam@otfresno.com> wrote:
>
>>I know you believe this.  I honor that belief while disagreeing 
>>completely.
>>
>>I take issue with the execution of the Iraq war, not the choice to invade.
>
> It's possible to believe that the choice was inevitable given the
> intelligence, but turned out to be wrong, since the intelligence
> turned out to be wrong.
>
> One of Bush's many mistakes, I think, is that he never made that
> argument, never apologized to the world for the absence of WMD's. He
> merely cracked an extraordinarily tasteless joke and tried to shift
> the focus to the tyranny of Saddam and an Al Qaeda threat that wasn't
> even there until he overthrew the Iraqi government.

The WMD thing was never the primary reason for the invasion.  It was merely 
the legal pretext.

besides, I still have suspicions that Iraq did have chem weapons.  I have 
heard but not run down reports that Iraq had a uranium stockpile too but 
since it wasn't refined to "bomb grade" it didn't count.  (but that is 
unsubstantiated so it may also not be true)


> Furthermore, he convinced most of the American public through
> misleading juxtapositions that Saddam had a role in 9/11.

Perhaps.  It's not like Al-Queda was foreign to Iraq after all.  But the 
Bush admin did muddle the 9/11 relationship a bit with "we don't knows" and 
"you can't be sures", sorta like Gore and Global Warming.

These days, there's no doubt that Bush was over-representing himself.


> So people here and in the world came to consider him a liar. And that
> lends credence to those who put the worst possible construction on
> events, e.g., claim that Bush fabricated evidence or lied about it
> because he wanted to get his hands on Iraq's oil, build bases in the
> region, or create an American Empire.

"Some" people, yes.  You can be led fuether down the path of distrust than 
Bush actually goes and assume he lied, guided by the common prejudice that 
Republicans are party to (pardon the pun).

Those who are fully informed understand that Bush didn't lie, however, 
though he did allow several implications to hang in the air that were to his 
propagandistic advantage.

-- 
Q: There's a lot of debate right now over the best way to communicate about 
global warming and get people motivated. Do you scare people or give them 
hope? What's the right mix?

Gore: I think the answer to that depends on where your audience's head is. 
In the United States of America, unfortunately we still live in a bubble of 
unreality. And the Category 5 denial is an enormous obstacle to any 
discussion of solutions. Nobody is interested in solutions if they don't 
think there's a problem. Given that starting point, I believe it is 
appropriate to have an over-representation of factual presentations on how 
dangerous it is, as a predicate for opening up the audience to listen to 
what the solutions are, and how hopeful it is that we are going to solve 
this crisis.

Al Gore, Grist Magazine, 2006
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