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Skriven 2007-05-26 20:25:01 av Dennis \(Icarus\) (1389.babylon5)
     Kommentar till en text av rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated
Ärende: Re: OT: a proposal for increasing teachers' salaries
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"Kurt Ullman" <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:kurtullman-B3424E.20511026052007@customer-201-125-217-207.uninet.net.mx...
> In article <d02h5392pqd3ma4hsgqdhn85lnpouboj95@4ax.com>,
>  Josh Hill <usereplyto@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 26 May 2007 17:23:55 GMT, Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >In article <6epg5398q9nv9cgo743dof6mfv141vme60@4ax.com>,
> > > Josh Hill <usereplyto@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Whether or not you or I happen to feel the same way, you can't equate
> > >> bigotry or shoe size with a hatred of greed. If my child had died of
> > >> malnutrition while some fat guy drove buy in a limousine I might hate
> > >> the rich as well.
> > >
> > >       Of course you can, it is hate based on some arbitrary element
> > >that is important to only the observer. Since the only universal
> > >definition of greed is that which pisses off the observer, it is indeed
> > >another garden variety bigotry. Pure and simple.
> >
> > Pure and simple sophistry, is what that is. No word has a universal
> > definition. Words /do/ have definitions based on usage. Greed, being a
> > word, has such a definition. And greed is almost invariably held to be
> > a moral failing.


Envy and wrath are also moral failings, right?

>
>    Find me a non-subjective definition. Find me exactly the point where
> the desire to make money becomes avarice and where avarice graduates to
> greed. Until then, greed is based on some arbitrary element.
>
> >
> > >      I would ask what the hatred of the person would accomplish in
> > >getting food to your kid and exactly how would taking away the rich
> > >guy's limo feed the next kid in line?
> >
> > I would ask why it matters? If your kid's starving and the guy zooms
> > past you, you aren't going to be well-disposed towards him, even if he
> > didn't get his money by exploiting you or inheriting the land that's
> > under your feet.

I think I would be well-disposed, since after all, its not that person's
fault.

> >
>
>        Why should you? Is it somehow his fault? Would your kid be
> somehow alive if the guy a weighed a few pounds less or drove a 1960
> Corvair? Your kid died and you need someone to blame (other than
> yourself-- editorial yourself, not you personally.
>
> > Which isn't to say that that hatred may not be counterproductive. It
> > may be. And it may not be justified. But it sure isn't the same as
> > hating someone because their skin color is different than yours.
>
>      Of course it is. Green is a color. It hatred based on some part of
> the person.. his bank account or his skin color. Six of one...
>

Dennis


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