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Skriven 2007-06-09 16:40:36 av Carl (1789.babylon5)
     Kommentar till en text av rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated
Ärende: Re: OT: a proposal for increasing teachers' salaries
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"lizardgirl" <gabiks@comcast.net> wrote in message 
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> On Jun 1, 9:49 pm, "Carl" <cengm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> "lizardgirl" <gab...@comcast.net> wrote in message


>> I simply point out that whenever someone says "We're going to take from
>> you to give to someone else," the people doing the taking shouldn't
>> rationalize that they're entitled to it.
>
> sure, except that the people taking are not the people getting.  not
> many homeless, hungry, pregnant teenage, or other wise marginalized
> members of congress working the numbers.

And the people taking are taking from someone else...often attacking
them in order to justify it.

I have no problem helping people in need.  I have a problem someone
looks at two people and assumes that when one person has more
than the other that there is an inherent injustice that needs to be solved.
Wrong.

>> I've never complained that anyone has cut in front of me in line, nor
>> have I ever asked for something extra.
>>
>> I just don't buy into the whole "We're all in this together" mentality
>> though.
>> It doesn't take a village.  I prefer the freedom to live my own life and
>> make as many of my own decisions as possible.
>>
> great.  for some those decisions include going on food stamps so they
> can feed thier families, excepting medcaid to insure medical insurance
> for thier children, filing for a section 8 voucher so they can keep a
> roof over thier heads.  more often then not these are not easy
> decicion to make, they cost quite a bit in pride.  but, its my
> understanding that it is just as bad to refuse help when its needed as
> it is to refuse to offer it in the first place.  while there is a
> separation of church and state, our framers were men of faith.

If a person has worked hard or is willing to work hard, but through no fault
of their own they find themselves in an unfortunate circumstance and
needs help, then they should absolutely get help.  In my experience, the 
people
that are most reluctant to accept help are almost always the most
deserving of it.  I think the vast majority are willing to help them.
If that weren't the case, there would not be all of the charities, (both
private and religious).

In my case the decisions that I've made have (so far) allowed me to
live my life without asking for anything special of anyone else.

To whatever degree I can keep out of other people's business, shouldn't I
have a right to expect to keep others out of mine?

If I were to ask for something special, then others *may* have the right to
ask for something in return for extra assistance.


>> I can understand that you value your privacy with such things.  I didn't
>> mean to intrude (or interrupt)...I can come back later. :)
>
> yes, how rude of you to call me out so publicly.  you scared me!  :^)

Well, you did start out in a public manner.  Some people
really like public attention with such things. ;)

>> >> Hmmm.  I think I'll decline from commenting on that mental image. :)
>>
>> perhaps this new one then?
>>
>> Sigh...Nope.  I guess I'm just too...conservative. ;)
>
> there's the ticket.  :^)
>
> me too.

:)


Carl

Democracy is when two wolves and a sheep vote on who's for dinner.
Liberty is when the sheep has his own gun.
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