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Skriven 2007-07-11 02:11:41 av Amy Guskin (2323.babylon5)
     Kommentar till en text av rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated
Ärende: Re: Comic-Con Schedule Preview - B5 panel on Friday 7/27
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>> On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 15:27:44 -0400, John W. Kennedy wrote
(in article <P4Rki.35$%c1.23@newsfe12.lga>):

> Amy Guskin wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 22:13:36 -0400, John W. Kennedy wrote
>> (in article <jXBki.286$XB7.150@newsfe12.lga>):
>> 
>>> Amy Guskin wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 20:15:27 -0400, Jon wrote
>>>> (in article <1184026527.709376.221500@c77g2000hse.googlegroups.com>):
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 9, 4:37 pm, "jmsa...@aol.com" <jmsa...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Can I even *begin* to express how bad an idea this is...?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> jms
>>>>> Be nice..or you're going to get cast as "Grumpy".   Or in reality..is
>>>>> it "Bashful?"  ;)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Now taking auditions for Snow White.  Female, 18-27, slim, fair
>>>>> skinned, redheads preferred (though not exclusively, by any means!).<<
>>>> Redhead??  Have you never read the story?  "Skin as white as snow, lips 
>>>> as 
>>>> red as rubies," (or "blood" in some versions), "hair as black as ebony."
>>>> 
>>>> Amy, fan of the _real_, non-Disney ending of this one
>>> Actually, I just read what I believe to be the original Grimm text (real 
>>> mother and red-hot iron shoes) <<
>> 
>> Yeah, that's the best part.
>> 
>>>> aloud 16 or 17 times in the last month, 
>>> which specifically names only the eyes as black. <<
>> 
>> You read it aloud in German 16 or 17 times in the last month?  I wouldn't 
>> think there'd be that much of an audience for it around these parts.
> 
> Not in German. I read it in English twice a day at the NJ Renaissance 
> Kingdom, while a troupe mimed the action behind me. Since I was a little 
> worried about Snow White's persecutor being her real mother, and the 
> red-hot-shoes bit, and since our setting is Arthurian (in fact, I read 
> it as Merlin) I introduced it as "a Saxon story -- and you know what 
> /they're/ like -- just the way they told it before Sir Walter of Anaheim 
> got his hands on it." <<

HA!  Sir Walter of Anaheim, indeed.  Some year I'll have to come up to your 
ren fair; I'd love to sit in on Merlin having story-telling hour. <g>

I'm curious: do you happen to know the version you're using?  A publisher and 
a pub date is probably enough.  I'm keenly interested in the subject of 
'original recipe' fairy tales, and although I haven't pursued it in some time 
(it was fodder for a long-ago, now long-dead album), I'm still always looking 
for interesting editions.

I just put a request in for an edition at my local library -- it's compiled 
and edited by Maria Tatar, whose doctoral dissertation made a very good book 
entitled "The Hard Facts of Grimm's Fairy Tales."  It's an annotated edition, 
and I'm assuming she went to the oldest source material, since that was her 
interest in the earlier book.

>>> I have a really good, authentic (or so it claims) translation that I like 
>> (actually I have more than one, but it's the Zipes one that I like the 
>> best), 
>> but I haven't read it in (cough cough) years.  It's got the real mother and 
>> the putting on red-hot shoes and making her dance until she's dead, but I 
>> honestly don't remember what was said (if anything) about the hair.  
> 
> I've checked now, and the hair is black in my translation of the 1857 
> edition, but not in the 1813-15 edition, at least as I have it in 
> English. So now I suppose someone's got to look up the original German 
> of both. <<

Ah, so who is the publisher of the (I assume reprinted) 1813-15 edition?  
That's one of the earliest, if not _the_ earliest.  I seem to recall them 
putting out an 1812 edition, although I could be wrong.

Amy
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