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Skriven 2007-08-05 00:06:38 av Mac Breck (3253.babylon5)
     Kommentar till en text av rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated
Ärende: Re: LONG LIVE BABYLON 5.
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"Duggy" <Paul.Duggan@jcu.edu.au> wrote in message
news:1186276053.453190.222020@g12g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 5, 2:00 am, "Mac Breck" <macthevor...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > "Duggy" <Paul.Dug...@jcu.edu.au> wrote:
> > What???  JMS set The Legend of the Rangers pilot in 2265, *before*
> > Crusade (2267-2271, planned), so that he could *lead into* the
Crusade
> > storyline, and that fits no definition of "circumvent" that I am
aware
> > of, in fact it's the exact opposite of circumvent.
>
> Only if you don't understand the process of the creation of fiction.

Oh, and you do, I guess?


> The point of Crusade was not the timeline.

That statement doesn't make any sense.


> The point of Crusade was not the Darkh plague.

No, we all know that Crusade was not going to be a five year search for
the cure to the Drakh plague.  The cure would have been found in about
the middle of Season 2.  Then, it was going to morph into a show about
Earthforce black projects using shadowtech, and the mages.



> The point of Crusade was The Hand.

What?!?  I certainly hope not!  If true, I think we'd have heard
something about them during Crusade's existing 13 episodes.  Personally,
I **hope** The Hand was a red herring.



> Which LotR introduced.

I keep trying to forget TLaDiS.


> > > It's been too long to bring back LotR, too, I think.
> > If so, thank god for small mercies.  Still, I;d like to see some of
> > those characters back (Dulann, Na'Feel [unfortunate name, I know]),
> > Firell and ~maybe~ David Martel).
>
> None of them interest me enough to *need* to see again.

Maybe not *need* but it'd be nice to see Dulann, at least.



> If it works for the bigger story, sure,

Well, that goes without saying.


> > > A new series would be the way to go, but I'm not completely sure
it
> > > would be worthwhile.
> > Another start???  No, NO, it'd be best to *finish* one of the last
> > starts they've made, Crusade, and this time without the damned
> > TNT-Atlanta notes.
>
> Why?  Crusade need the Drakh plague ended.  But the Drakh plague
> doesn't need Crusade to be ended.  It need an arc in another series,
> or a Lost Tales trilogy, but not the revival of Crusade.

Crusade isn't solely about the Drakh plague.  I want to see them get
into the Earthforce black projects stuff, and the mages, *not* just find
the cure to the plague.  For the most part, they had a very good cast
for Crusade.  I want to see those characters/actors continue.



> Sure, there are some characters they may need closure, but Lost Tales
> can do that better than trying to raise a series from the dead than
> was already flawed.

I disagree.  With so much time between Lost Tales DVDs, it's going to be
next to impossible to carry on a continuing storyline.  A series is
what's needed to do that kind of thing, not one DVD every six months to
a year (if we're lucky).  I like to see projects *finished*, not lots of
projects started but never finished.  Raising Crusade from the dead
would give them a chance to *correct* the damage TNT did, and turn a
black eye into a success.



> The Hand needs a series to deal with it, but it doesn't have to be
> LotR, Crusade of B5.2.

The Hand needs to be *forgotten*.  In fact, as far as I'm concerned,
TLaDiS never happened.  That was by far the worst 88 minutes of a B5
universe show that I've ever seen.  A good deal of it (e.g. the weapons
thing, and all of Sarah's lines/scenes) was painful to watch.


> >  And no it won't happen, because nobody will be
> > willing to put up the money for a series (~$22 million/season, plus
what
> > it costs to recreate all the sets (Yes, real, physical sets are
needed
> > if you're going to do it right.),
>
> Perhaps, what it needs is to be a cable or UK series.  Shorter seasons
> [or series in the UK] and thus cheaper.

Cheaper per season, but not per episode, and all  that means is that
it'll take more seasons to tell the story.


> Also, I find that a 6, 10, 13 episode UK or cable series is tighter
> with less Grey 13 type episodes.

Grey 17 is Missing


> Lost Tales does have the ability to tell only stories that need to be
> told, sure, but is possibly less satisfying than a series

*Definitely* less satisfying than a series.



> (and, I
> can't see that it would be cheaper per  story than a series)

Well almost anything they make for The Lost Tales could also be used for
a series.  That spreads the costs around.


> but I'm willing to give it a try.

So am I, but I think we also need a series to tell these longer stories.




> > props, wardrobe and to get the original actors back).
>
> You wouldn't need the original actors if you didn't redo Crusade.

That's true, but in Crusade, they had a good group that was just
starting to gel.  It would be a crime to lose that forever, to lose
those characters.



> >  The sole bright spot in this whole thing is that
> > it looks like they've found a good effects house to recreate all the
> > CGI.  Those space shots in B5-TLT were amazing.
>
> Dunno, not in the right country.

September is coming.



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Mac Breck (KoshN)
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