Text 17229, 96 rader
Skriven 2007-08-18 00:38:22 av Matt Ion (3706.babylon5)
  Kommentar till text 17204 av rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated (3681.babylon5)
Ärende: Re: Newsgroup back!
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StarFuryG7@aol.com wrote:
> On Aug 16, 8:09 pm, Amy Guskin <aisl...@fjordstone.com> wrote:
>> Yeah, but you've been insisting all through this thread that you have
>> confirmations from Google that your message has been "submitted" to this
>> newsgroup.
> 
>         Excuse me--I would be happy to post the confirmation message
> again, as it makes quite clear that that is in fact where it has been
> submitted according to their system, yes.

That means exactly nothing.  "The system" may only refer to Google's 
NNTP server.  It may or may not mean that for a moderated group, it's 
even gone to Google's SMTP server.  It very likely DOES NOT mean that 
it's been sent successfully to Jay's SMTP server.

I just posted a reply to this message from Google Groups... all it does 
is show me a little yellow box saying "Your post was successful."  That 
doesn't mean anything - all it means is that the web interface has 
successfully sent it to the NNTP server.  Nothing else has come in to my 
gmail.com inbox, no "confirmation" of any sort.

Sorry, but your argument holds NO water.  Google Groups' "confirmation" 
message means nothing in the context of moderated groups.  It doesn't 
prove that the message went anywhere except onto their NNTP server.

>         I can't speak to this latest incident of posted messages that
> have thus far failed to show up. I can however state that Yes, over a
> period of YEARS, there has indeed been that 'curious' pattern, and
> someone in my place might well wonder if the posts were being
> deliberately "lost" as a means of discouraging further posting by me
> to this particular Group. And if there has been a pattern through the
> years which at the very least suggests that as a distinct possibility
> --posts that get "lost in the ether," never to turn up-- that it might
> well lead someone in my place to wonder who else may have had the same
> experience here over the years.

Lots of us have had posts get "lost in the ether".  It's happened to me 
on non-moderated groups, where it should just be posted publicly within 
seconds.  It's happened to me on this group, where it has to go through 
a slightly longer process.

IT HAPPENS.  GET OVER IT.  THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY, AGENT MULDER.

>>>         Jay doesn't want to be bothered arguing with me, and frankly,
>>> I really don't care to be bothered arguing with him either for that
>>> matter. Aside from which, he has other more important matters to
>>> attend to at the moment no doubt. <<
>> Why do you say arguing?  
> 
>         Because in the past that's what my collective experiences with
> Jay have involved and amounted to: arguing. He sees things one way and
> I see them another, and unfortunately he's in a position to censor
> people --at will basically, be it right or wrong.

He sees things based on technical knowledge of how this thing works. 
You see things based on some sort of perceived persecution.

Jay is correct.  Amy is correct.  You are wrong.

Move along.

>> Incidentally, it seems that a high percentage of people with trouble posting
>> are posting via Google Groups, not that you'd think of blaming _them_ for
the
>> problem.
> 
>        I'll have to take your word on that because up to now I haven't
> heard about it -- But of course, you'd be expected to say that being
> one of the moderators of this newsgroup. You're only defending your
> own. But I've posted to this group from a variety of other places,
> other systems, other services, from different computers through the
> years, and this has always been the song: "Gee, it must have gotten
> lost in the ether perhaps" . . .
> 
> Yeah, right.
> 
> *And incidentally, this is basically the message I posted last night,
> but which for some reason never appeared.*

Well it appeared this time... so there goes your theory that your posts 
are being singled out.

You have two choices:

One, assume Jay and Amy and I know what we're talking about, accept that 
sometimes electrons just get lost, and if a post goes missing, try 
reposting it.  If all else fails, simply email it b5mod@deepthot.org and 
bypass the whole NNTP step.

Two, continue to assume you're being persecuted, decide that you're 
better off without it, and just leave quietly.

In your case, for the sake of everyone else's sanity, I'd recommend the 
latter.
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