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Skriven 2006-06-04 23:11:00 av Robert E Starr JR (2205.babylon5)
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>> On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 12:47:10 -0400, Wesley Struebing wrote
(in article <r0f382hfhkhh4p6l7nqt6c5hb6ue1egq27@4ax.com>):

> On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 04:58:39 +0000 (UTC), Amy Guskin
> <aisling@fjordstone.com> wrote:
> 
>>>> On Fri, 2 Jun 2006 23:53:59 -0400, Josh Hill wrote
>> (in article <oh02829rgmksrvgij1qc8nav81et3b6lb5@4ax.com>):
>> 
>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2006 15:32:39 +0000 (UTC), Amy Guskin
>>> <aisling@fjordstone.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:38:50 -0400, Carl wrote
>>>> (in article <bO2dnQ0xUZJHcOPZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com>):
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> "Amy Guskin" <aisling@fjordstone.com> wrote in message 
>>>>> news:0001HW.C0A45DB200846684F0407530@news.verizon.net...
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2006 07:55:35 -0400, Kurt Ullman wrote
>>>>>> (in article <kurtullman-768D19.07550501062006@news.west.earthlink.net>):
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> In article <4e7bunF1ddm8nU1@individual.net>,
>>>>>>> Rob Perkins <rperkins@usa.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I could emit less. I already emit far *far* fewer pollutants than the
>>>>>>>> average American anyway. I don't think you ought to dare suppose that
>>>>>>>> I'm not aware of things.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The average American already emits FAR less than they did in the 50s
>>>>>>> and 60s of pretty much everything nasty. <<
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Isn't that kind of like saying, "I beat my wife FAR less than I used 
>>>>>> to"?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Amy
>>>>> 
>>>>> I don't think that's fair.  Considering that even when we die we either 
>>>>> fill 
>>>>> a plot
>>>>> or become ashes, it's impossible not to cause some pollution. <<
>>>> 
>>>> Agreed that we can't reduce our impact to zero.
>>>> 
>>>>>> People criticize that we're not doing enough.  We can clearly do more
>>>>> but progress has been made and that should be acknowledged. <<
>>>> 
>>>> My point was that I don't think we're doing nearly enough.  It wasn't the 
>>>> most accurate comparison, but it encapsulated, at the  moment, what I 
>>>> felt. 
>>>> 
>>>> Again, I don't think we're doing nearly enough.
>>>> 
>>>> I don't have kids, we compost, don't put any chemicals on our lawn, 
>>>> recycle/reuse/redistribute, have an electric mower, support local 
>>>> sustainable 
>>>> agriculture, one of us doesn't drive to work and the other drives only 
>>>> about 
>>>> seven miles roundtrip daily, we don't own any SUVs or large cars, and do 
>>>> countless other things to 'help,' and I don't think _I'm_ doing enough.  
>>>> Most 
>>>> people aren't doing nearly that much, and are using much more in the way 
>>>> of 
>>>> resources.
>>> 
>>> What saddens me is that it would take so little. I mean, do we really
>>> need to drive 10 MPG Hummers? Why are 25% of American cars now SUV's?
>>> Have they really made an improvement in our lives?
>>> 
>>> It's not just that we aren't doing anything -- we're flaunting our
>>> excess.<<
>> 
>> Yeah.  Indeed.  And it's not just that we're driving 10 MPG Hummers - in 
>> this 
>> area at least, nine times out of ten that Hummer, or Escalade, or 
>> Canyonero, 
>> will only have ONE PASSENGER in it.
>> 
> Indeed.  At least the minivan owners (Of which we were one several
> years ago...) seem to USE their minivan, and see not to buy one unless
> they need it.  As who was it upthread said?  Rob?  Josh?  (the memory
> fails...) <<

Yes, and this seems to bear out what I saw on the roads between Philly and DC 
this weekend.  The minivans were packed to the gills with people and stuff; 
the SUVs mostly had one or two passengers, and not even enough stuff in them 
that you could see anything sticking up through the windows.

Amy
      
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