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"Josh Hill" <usereplyto@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 7 Jun 2006 02:53:15 +0000 (UTC), "Dennis \(Icarus\)"
> <ala_dir_diver@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> >
> >"Josh Hill" <usereplyto@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:fusb825frqjskbhv3f6m75dh82ncq1bnon@4ax.com...
> >> On Tue, 6 Jun 2006 02:16:14 +0000 (UTC), "Dennis \(Icarus\)"
> >> <ala_dir_diver@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> >> >"Josh Hill" <usereplyto@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:3j69829cngfqnnnhgesc1tfjffd7cn372h@4ax.com...
> >> >> On Sun, 4 Jun 2006 19:41:28 +0000 (UTC), "Dennis \(Icarus\)"
> >> >> <ala_dir_diver@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Well, the environmentalists would be pleased
> >> >> >a) no more oil out of the mid-east
> >> >>
> >> >> This is bad? You like giving money to Osama, Saddam, and Iran?
Sending
> >> >> troops to take back Kuwait or protect the oil fields?
> >> >
> >> >So what would you have done to drive Saddam out of Kuwait?
> >>
> >> Would he have invaded Kuwait in the first place if it hadn't been for
> >> the oil?
> >
> >Yeah, I think so. We get much oil from, say, Somalia?
>
> ?
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> Afraid I don't follow you here. Saddam wanted to get his hands on

Sorry - misinterpreted the "he".

> Kuwaiti oil. Now he might have invaded had the Kuwaitis not had oil,

May want to take a look at "causes" here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War

> and it's even possible that the world would have done the right thing
> and responded, though I wouldn't hold my breath. But then again, had

I can see why - after all, there's Tibet. though I'd like to think that were
that to happen today....

> it just been an impoverished stretch of sand, Saddam might not have
> thought it worth his while. And we certainly wouldn't have sent troops
> to Saudi Arabia to guard their oil fields -- a major beef of Osama's,
> since it violated a tenet of Islam -- or been required to spend nearly
> as much to maintain the military resources we still have in that area.

Well, since he violates a few tenets of Islam, he doesn't really have much
room to talk, I think

>
> Remember when Kissinger threatened war if the oil embargo threatened
> the economic survival of the west? Our defense of oil shipments in the
> Straits of Hormuz? How about our ultimately costly installation of the
> Shah of Iran after his elected predecessor tried to nationalize the
> oil fields? Would we have had to invade Iran a second time (well, OK,
> "had' is too strong a word) had Saddam not been able to circumvent the
> UN embargo by corrupting the oil for food program, or would he have
> been overthrown?

You mean Iraq? Well since he'd been in power for many, many years before the
UN embargo....

>
> For that matter, how would Saddam have built his army in the first
> place if it hadn't been for oil revenue? Would he even have remained
> in power if he hadn't been able to buy lunch for his people? Would
> Iran have the money to develop nuclear weapons? Would it now be
> sending aid to Hamas and funding terrorists? Would we have to send
> military aid to Israel to counter those terrorists and oil-financed
> weapons purchases?


So its a good thing we stopped all that, isn't it?

Anyway, so what would you have done to drive Saddam out of Kuwait?
I mean, you don't seem to like the idea of sending troops.

Dennis


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