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Skriven 2006-06-12 19:56:00 av Robert E Starr JR (2884.babylon5)
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"Josh Hill" <usereplyto@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 03:51:05 +0000 (UTC), "Dennis \(Icarus\)"
> <ala_dir_diver@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Josh Hill" <usereplyto@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:qv3p82l5efiuo3tnh9t68sh5udanal89f4@4ax.com...
> >> On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 20:11:59 +0000 (UTC), "Dennis \(Icarus\)"
> >> <ala_dir_diver@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >"Josh Hill" <usereplyto@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:646m829g7bnop29r7nik0veo9k3irc04k5@4ax.com...
> >> >> On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 14:18:12 +0000 (UTC), Methuselah Jones
> >> >> <methuselah@altgeek.org> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Carved in mystic runes upon the very living rock, the last words of
> >> >> >Vorlonagent of rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated make plain:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Lacking such proof, equating Fox News to al-jazeera is an
ad-hominum
> >> >> >> at best, further serving as a nice example of the politics of
> >personal
> >> >> >> destruction practiced by the Left these days.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Can you think of even one institution associated with the Right
or
> >the
> >> >> >> Republican Party these days that hasn't been demonized on the
Left?
> >I
> >> >> >> can't.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >As I mentioned in another thread, it ain't just a "Left" thang.
This
> >> >> >country has rarely been so divisive. Both "sides" and everyone all
> >around
> >> >> >are adding plenty of fuel to the "us-and-them" fire.
> >> >>
> >> >> But I think the right has been much, much worse. As a columnist
> >> >> pointed out the other day, imagine the furor if a Democratic
> >> >> politician did the equivalent of the Republicans who regularly refer
> >> >> to Democrats as liberal latte-sipping left-wing elitists, referring
to
> >> >> them as naive, Bible-thumping hayseeds, say.
> >> >
> >> >...Josh...they do. not those exact words, but that is the message.
> >>
> >> Can you give me some examples? Not from corners and extremist blogs,
> >> but from mainstream Democratic politicians and commentators . . .
> >
> >What's one of the first attacks liberals make when disagreeing with
someone?
> >Attack their intelligence.
> >
> >Ill see if I can run across specifics.
>
> From mainstream politicians and commentators? I can't recall any --
> most of what I read is defensive or analytical.
>
> As for the rest of us -- just read this exchange on Usenet:
>
> Democrat:
>
> >Nope. It's much more simpler than that: I hate
> >liars, I hate maliciousness, I hate incompetence,
> >and I hate corruption;
>
> Republican:
>
> Then you should be blowing up the DNC and butchering all the leftists
> in DC.

I'd like to see a bit more of the exchange.
Heck, if need be I can send you links of conversations I';ve had swith
liberals - one of whom chastised me fornot speaking up when segregationw as
legal, even after I made it clear that I was busy gestating in 1965.
All sorts of other occassions where the lib went personal VERY quickly.

Hey, we'll combine stories, and find that each side is being attacked
equally ;-)

>
>
> I wish I could say that that was unique, but it could characterize any
> number of discussions I've had/seen with Republicans on Usenet. (Not
> all, of course -- just a significant percentage.) Add to that the fact
> that Republicans seem to fall for the most obvious spin and vote for
> people who want to exploit them, and the well-known fact that the more
> educated one is the more liberal one is apt to be, and maybe a dash of
> not believing in the evolution, and, well, the fact that much of what
> they say is complete and utter bollocks, and that that's obvious to
> anyone who does a bit of research and reads the paper  . . . what it
> looks like is a bunch of largely uneducated people who don't keep up
> with the news and lack the insight to see through transparent
> propaganda.

Well, would that count as an example? :-)

>
> >> >> And check out this conservative newspaper cartoon:
> >> >>
> >> >> http://www.gocomics.com/glennmccoy/2006/06/07/
> >> >>
> >> >> Note that the liberal is a pot smoking tie-dyed hippie with a lava
> >> >> lamp and love beads, and that he's laughing with glee at the news
that
> >> >> marines killed civilians. Again, imagine what would happen if a
> >> >> mainstream liberal cartoonist did the same.
> >> >>
> >> >> This is pure poison, and yet it's become an integral part of the
> >> >> conservatives' message.
> >> >
> >> >Not nearly as bad as, say, the cartoons portraying Secretary of State
> >Rice
> >> >as racial stereotypes.
> >>
> >> I've /never/ seen such a cartoon, and I can't believe such a cartoon
> >> would be published in an American newspaper today. Or have I
> >> overestimated developments in the south? The worst I've seen
> >> cartoonists do is make fun of her teeth. And Pat Oliphant,
> >> appropriately enough, portrays her as a parrot -- "Yes, boss! Yes
> >> boss! Awrkk!"
> >
> >http://www.iwf.org/articles/article_detail.asp?ArticleID=699
>
> Did you actually read this stuff? The Oliphant link didn't work, and
> neither did the Trudeau. It seems that the complainers missed what I
> would have thought was a very obvious -- and very appropriate --
> reference to a famous scene in Gone with the Wind. A description of
> the Trudeau strip suggests that criticism of it is even more
> unwarranted: it depicts /Bush/ making a racist comment about Rice, the
> point being that he is using the same tactics against Rice that he
> used against Richard Clarke.

Yeah, I did - the links didnt work but it does describe 'em fairly well.
So you think its ok, and other folks think that they're racist.
Differing opinions & all.

>
> >> >Still, it would not surprise me in the least if there are some folks
who
> >are
> >> >glad when US troops are killed by the enemy, glad when they're accused
of
> >> >doing something horrible. It'd reinforce their presumption that the US
is
> >in
> >> >the wrong.
> >>
> >> No doubt, but there are always some people who want to do just about
> >> anything if you scrape the bottom of the barrel, and I don't think you
> >> do the truth any service by convincing voters that the other party is
> >> like that. And, really, that seems to be what the majority in the red
> >> states believe. Or as a friend put it of relatives down south, they
> >> hate Democrats and they hate Yankees, and the rest be damned . . .
> >
> >Not the party, not - just those in leadership positions.
>
> Maybe, but why?

Near-irreconcilable differences on policy?

Dennis


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