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"Josh Hill" <usereplyto@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 02:41:42 +0000 (UTC), "Dennis \(Icarus\)"
> <ala_dir_diver@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >"Josh Hill" <usereplyto@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:on01a2dag7inj7pj8d7u2bn1q3lt9qve78@4ax.com...
> >> On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 00:24:28 +0000 (UTC), "Dennis \(Icarus\)"
> >> <ala_dir_diver@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
>
> >> >Hey, we'll combine stories, and find that each side is being attacked
> >> >equally ;-)
> >>
> >> Hard to establish numbers, since we're talking personal here. It
> >> certainly isn't what I've seen on Usenet. But what really bothers me
> >> is that the conservative establishment has been running a systematic
> >> campaign of slurs against liberals and moderates and Democrats of
> >> every stripe, whom they broadbrush as liberals. And against a whole
> >> portion of the country that's portrayed as elitist, un-American and
> >> un-Christian. That's been the case ever since Nixon and Agnew
> >> originated the tactic with their homilies to "Middle America" and
> >> their attacks on "effete snobs."
> >
> >And liberals have done the same - where does the term "borking" come
from?
>
> From the politically-motivated disclosure that Judge Bork had smoked
> marijuana at parties, which is to say that while regrettable in and of

That wasn't all there was, Josh.

> itself it has nothing to do with the broadbrushing of liberals and
> broad segments of the American population. In any case, the comment
> that "liberals have done the same" is a distortion of the truth,
> equating as it does one man's parking ticket with another's murder
> rap.

Liberals have been painting conservatives with a broad brush
"racist, anti-immigrant, stupid, starve your children, etc" for decades.

> ><snip>
> >
> >And you'll find similar lettrs from all stripes.
>
> Not that I've seen. I mean, you'll find campaign letters, sure, that
> tell you that if the other party is elected, so and so will get such
> and such a position and that he'll do this and that. But I'm not
> complaining about that aspect of Hastert's letter. Rather, I was
> providing a convenient example per your request of the in-your-face
> lies and the patently obvious demagoguery and truth twisting to which
> I referred above. Evidence to support my assertion that "Republicans
> seem to fall for the most obvious spin and vote for people who want to
> exploit them" and that "much of what [the Republican leadership says]
> is complete and utter bollocks." And I didn't even have to try very
> hard -- this just happened to be in my in box.

As do they all.

>
> >> >Yeah, I did - the links didnt work but it does describe 'em fairly
well.
> >> >So you think its ok, and other folks think that they're racist.
> >> >Differing opinions & all.
> >>
> >> Nah. See my other post, and Amy's. This is just the sort of distortion
> >> I'm talking 'bout. Unless I've missed some kind of connection between
> >> parrots and black people, there was no racial stereotyping whatsoever
> >> in the portrayal of Rice, and Trudeau portrayed /Bush/ as racist. You
> >> can IMO argue about the third cartoon: the analogy was apt, but I
> >> think it much more important to avoid any non-critical use of
> >> traditional fictional stereotypes.
> >
> >So you think its a fair portrayal?
> >Should be easy to verify its an accurate portrayal of how Bush sees
folks.
> >:-)
>
> I dunno, because I don't know exactly what it represents and I don't
> know what Bush thinks . . .

Ok....

<snip>
> >> Are they, though? That, above all, is what we Demcrats find puzzling:
> >> on most every measure, the Dems are closer to the American public, and
> >> that includes most of the public; and the policy differences that are
> >> used to drive a wedge between the Democrats and the Bible Belt are
> >> generally trumped-up phony ones, very obviously so.
> >
> >I dont think they are trumped up or phoney.
>
> Exactly the problem I'm referring to.
>
> How would you feel if a slick con man was laying something on your
> brother and when you tried to persuade him not to sign over his
> fortune he insisted that not only was the con man a decent fellow but
> that you were the enemy yourself? Because of course one of the things
> the con man is going to do -- create distrust of those most likely to
> thwart his designs. And when you say to your brother "This guy is
> pulling the wool over your eyes," the con man is going to say "Your
> brother is pulling the wool over your eyes because he wants to get his
> hands on your fortune. He's an elitist snob who thinks he's better and
> smarter than you are, who thinks you're dumb and can't make your own
> business decisions."

Should be easy for you to prove then, right?

>
> That's the game, and we don't know how to counter it, because what
> with the television press reduced to puppy-dog docility and people no

Yeah....the NYT - puppydog-like.

> longer reading the newspaper and Republican smears and propaganda the

Look at whats been done to Michael Steele.

> dialog has been reduced to attack ads, sound bites, and spin, and
> these media don't allow the public to distinguish between lies and
> truth. So we're stuck with the painful process of watching the
> Republicans dig their own grave at the country's expense. Oh, the
> people will wake up eventually -- you can't fool all of the people all
> of the time -- in fact, in the case of Dubya, most of them already
> have. But it comes too late. The idea is to ward off the harm /before/
> it's done, before we have to deal with a failed war, an unprecedented

Seems to be doing pretty well.

> deficit, outsourcing and deindustrialization, a shrinking middle
> class, energy dependence, eight precious years lost in the fight

Hey...we could start drilling in ANWR.

> against global warming, a new and scary pattern of in-your-face
> executive lawlessness, a massively corrupt Congress and executive
> branch, a health care fiasco, a demoralized Federal bureaucracy that's
> been reduced to incompetence and ineffectuality, yada. And you'll
> probably have to do it without the comfortable supermajority that
> would allow you to override the lobbyists and pass meaningful
> legislation like health care reform.

Dennis



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