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Skriven 2006-07-18 18:54:00 av Robert E Starr JR (4738.babylon5)
Ärende: Re: I'm Gone
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It is alleged that jmsatb5@aol.com claimed:

> I have discussed this previously with the moderators, who say they are
> powerless to keep him out, that he has made it clear to them that he

If the moderators are powerless to keep him out, then "moderating" this
group at all is a farce and it should either be thrown open, or thrown
out.  It is the moderators JOB to enforce the rules which are, from a
saved "Welcome" message:

| What are not on-topic are the following:
| 
| 1) Story Ideas
| 2) Flames
| 3) Trolls
| 4) Spam
| 
| A "Story Idea" is the description of a new character or event in the
| show, the exact scripting of a scene, or any detailed discussion of
| events which have not already appeared in an aired show, been
| described on-line by show production staff, or specifically predicted
| by dialogue and events in shows already aired.
| 
| (Obviously, "joke" entries, outlandish dialogue, situations that will
|  *not* occur in the series, and parodies, may be acceptable.)
| 
| Speculation is allowed, however.  The difference between speculation
| and a story idea is that speculation is directly supported by events
| or dialogue in the show or statements made on-line or published in
| magazine articles which are directly attributable to the show's
| production staff.
| 
| 
| For example:
| If Morden is afraid of green penguins, and Draal is shown to have
| access to them, a speculation would be that Draal will use them
| against Morden in the future.  However if Draal only has a purple
| moose, saying that he could use it against Morden would be a story
| idea. 
| 
| Flames are defined as posts which:
| 
| (1) personally insult or attack one or more of the members of the
|     newsgroup; or
| 
| (2) make defamatory allegations, without corroborating evidence,
|     concerning a person/poster in the newsgroup, in a deliberate and
|     repetitive manner (resembling a common sense definition of
|     libel/slander, but not specifically limited to the legal
|     interpretation of those terms).
| 
| Trolls are posts that the moderators think are likely to provoke
| members of the group into responding heatedly.

If they are not willing to enforce their own rules, they should hand it
off to someone who is or close up shop.

> He has stated to the moderators that if he is forced to leave, that he
> will simply join again under a different ISP or a different name, that

Then he should be banned from posting under that nym.  And the next,
and the next, and the next, however long it takes.  Because that is the
entire point of a moderated newsgroup.

> the group must and will be held hostage to his conviction that the
> moderators have no authority over him, that he can ignore the purpose

If the moderators don't ban this nutcase, then he's right, and the
moderators are useless.

> A writer has only three resources: time, energy and visceral material,
> and when those are being spent being pissed off, when every message
> thread you'd otherwise like to participate in gets hijacked and
> polluted by a dozen new insults, snide asides or affronts, you just
> stop reading because life's too short.

Um, don't you have a kill filter in your news reader?

> Since the moderators cannot remove this individual due to his threats
> to remain no matter their actions, or the intentions or guidelines of
> this group, it seems that I therefore have no choice but to absent
> myself from this group.  It is for this reason that I have already
> mainly stopped reading and posting, and the members of this group, who
> have participated in good faith for so long, deserve an explanation.

Well, I realize that you probably don't care, but you are the only
reason why I even read this group anymore.  The other discussions can
be interesting, but I read this group at all so I can catch your
periodic announcements of new projects, etc.
 
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