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Skriven 2006-07-20 08:34:00 av Robert E Starr JR (4914.babylon5)
Ärende: Re: Time to update the NG
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On 19 Jul 2006 15:40:03 -0700, "Stefan" <coljost@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Wendy of NJ wrote:
>
>Because we are angry about some postings of _ONE_ guy,
>I think we need not to overreact.
>
>> In light of the recent unpleasantness, I would like to make a proposal
>> to amend the newsgroup charter/FAQ/What-have-you to prevent any other
>> occurances of someone posting things that may not violate the letter
>> of the rules, but certainly violate the *spirit* of the rules.
>
>Your Example:
>> http://ars.userfriendly.org/users/read.cgi?id=27497&tid=53938
>
>Now. You won't implement FYOSR don't you?
>In this case neither Londo nor Garibaldi weren't ever allowed post
>to rastb5m.
>We're not dealing an early-afternoon kids-tv.
>Think about.

I'm not suggesting that we implement a fourteen-year-old-sister rule.
This is a different community. However, within the past year or 3, the
community that I referenced in my original post had some "problem
members" who consistently baited and annoyed others while remaining
within the letter of the law, so to speak (and violating the spirit of
the law). These members were eventually banned from that community.

It just reminded me in a lot of ways of our current situation, and I
offered their solution as a way to open up a dialog to discuss an
amendment to the charter here, so there will not be any ambiguity in
subsequent moderation of posts, or calls of unfairness if someone is
banned.

>
>> In that board's board-speak, the rule of thumb is "don't make the
>> board a worse place"
>
>Let me say in a slightly harsh manner:
>next step would be probably: rastb5m-homeguard, ministry of peace and
>finally a certain bureau 13 which is 'moderating' all not adjusted
>guys.
>That would'nt be fun at all.

I don't agree that your scenario is a "next step" at all. Please
remember that this group is ALREADY moderated - so it's not a "free
speech zone" . If you want an example of such a group, I suggest you
visit the unmoderated b5 group and see what kind of conversations
occur over there. I find the unmoderated group to be "no fun at all".

>
>> I think the FAQ/board rules for rastb5m, which are posted here:
>> http://members.aol.com/rastb5mod/
>> need to be amended to more accurately describe the desired behavior of
>> its members.
>
>I think, the group charta is quite appropriate in this present case:
>
>"Flames are defined as posts which:
>personally insult or hurt one of the members of the newsgroup;
>or make allegations, without corroborating evidence, concerning a
>person/poster
>in the newsgroup, in a deliberate and repetitive manner (resembling a
>common
>sense definition of libel/slander, but not specifically limited to the
>legal
>interpretation of those terms)."
>
>That's it. Only needed to be moderated.

That rule above allows for the "grey area" in which the current
instigant was able to post barbs aimed at JMS without explicitly doing
so (in the same manner that this sentence is referring to a specific
individual without explicitly naming him).

If a moderator acting in good faith with their understanding of the
charter can let posts of that nature pass by, then it seems a good
idea to add some clarification to the charter so that such posts do
NOT pass moderation. Or even better, the charter is clear enough that
such posts do not get sent to the group in the first place (in other
words, the members "self-moderate"). 

There are certainly enough other venues in which to vent one's spleen.
This place is Just Not One of Them.

Regards,
Wendy
                                                                             
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