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Skriven 2006-07-25 21:08:00 av Robert E Starr JR (5308.babylon5)
Ärende: Re: I'm Gone
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"David E. Powell" <David_Powell3006@msn.com> wrote in message 
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> Laura Appelbaum wrote:
>> "Jay Denebeim" <denebeim@deepthot.org> wrote in message
>> news:e9iuus$fto$4@dent.deepthot.org...
>> >
>> > Wanna bet?  One of them never stopped until he died.  (It was only
>> > after that that I learned he was such a jerk because he was young,
>> > very young, and dying of cancer.  Felt horrible about it.)
>> >
>> Neither being young, nor dying of cancer are reasons or excuses for being 
>> an
>> asshole.  Me, I never spent one minute feeling sorry Cronin was gone, no
>> matter what it took to get rid of him.  Don't think you should either.
>
> Because if anyone disagrees with you, they deserve to die of a horrid
> disease. Right. "No matter what it takes."

That's absolutely not what I'm saying.  What I'm saying is that I genuinely 
couldn't care less one way or another if he is dead or alive, because all I 
knew him as was an annoyance.  Made no difference to me whether it was 
because he died or because someone stole his computer.  He was gone, and I 
was glad he was.  I'm just being waayyyy more honest than apparently quite a 
few of you are willing to be with yourselves.  Because there's a huge 
difference between actively wishing someone ill and truly not giving a damn 
about them at all.
>
> And saying no one should feel sorry for a kid who died of cancer?

:rolls eyes: No, but by Jay's saying he felt "horrible about it" it seemed 
to me that he was feeling somehow guilty that he drew the obvious 
conclusion -- that the guy was a jerk -- about him, just because he had 
died.  And I don't see any reason why he or anyone else who had to put up 
with all the moderating Cronan made him have to do, should feel guilty about 
having been massively irritated by him.  It's like when people used to say 
"don't speak ill of the dead."  Well, why the hell not, if the dead earned 
that ill will in life?  Doesn't that rather shortchange all the kind words 
people say about *wonderful* people who have passed away, if suddenly we're 
all going to pave over the fact that someone else was a terrible person in 
life?  Praise means nothing if you give it to those who don't deserve it, 
and since we only have a limited capacity for feeling *genuinely* happy, 
sorrowful, whatever, before it all becomes rote, then why apologize if it 
hasn't been earned?  If Jay had only said "it was sad when I learned he was 
a teenager and died ," I wouldn't have said anything, because I could see 
that as a commensurate response; yes, it's often sad when someone dies 
young.  But to say he felt "horrible" seemed like he was, IMO giving himself 
too much of a hard time, so I let him know that's what I thought.

> Honestly, I expected better. Did I always agree with Cronan? Not
> always. Did most people always agree with the guy? No, but he had the
> courage to put things out there, and in time... goodness... in time he
> may have done so much more. Thinking back to myself at that age, the
> guy had so much together. He had so much together. This is all so long
> ago.

Well then you clearly experienced a different Cronan than I did; maybe you 
"met" him elsewhere online.  To me, he was nothing more than a troll who had 
an amazing capacity to take over threads and drive off jms or anyone else 
who had anything genuinely interesting to say crazy.  I saw no signs of any 
"courage," "goodness" or anything else other than being a total pest.  If 
you did, hey, :shrug: that's fine.  But no need to assail me for being 
honest about the virtual person I experienced.

LMA
                                                                               
   
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