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Skriven 2006-08-28 16:38:00 av Robert E Starr JR (7645.babylon5)
Ärende: Re: My presidential pick
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Wendy of NJ wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 04:50:39 +0000 (GMT), Matt Ion
> <soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote:
> 
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>>Wendy of NJ wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 21:24:02 +0000 (GMT), Matt Ion
>>><soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Wendy of NJ wrote:
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>>It depends on how you define "homeless" - I think it's broader than
>>>>>living on the streets, and may include people like my oldest stepson,
>>>>>who sleeps on couches at 4 or 5 different places during the week. (He
>>>>>doesn't believe in paying rent when someone or other will let him
>>>>>"crash" at their house). 
>>>>
>>>>Well, unemployment numbers are generally calculated from how many people
are 
>>>>actually LOOKING for jobs, not just how many aren't working.  I would
expect 
>>>>"homelessness" stats would work on a similar concept, not counting people
who 
>>>>simply have no interest in find a home.
>>>
>>>
>>>I thought it was just people who are actively collecting unemployment
>>>insurance (and thus are "supposed" to be looking for work).
>>
>>Depends on the jurisdiction, of course... but I've known plenty of people who

>>are not collecting EI (Canada calles it "Employment Insurance") who are also 
>>seeking jobs - pretty sure they're calculated in the unemployment rate.
>>
>>Lot of detail on how it's calculated in both the US and Canada here:
>>http://www.econ.ubc.ca/riddell/canusune.pdf#search=%22canada%20unemployment%20rate%22

>>
>>"The most important adjustment arises from the fact that Canada treats as 
>>unemployed those who engaged in any job search during the previous month, 
>>whereas the US requires "active" search -- defined as an activity that could 
>>result in a job offer. Thus those who use only "passive" search methods are 
>>treated as unemployed in Canada but out-of-the-labour force in the US."
>>
>>Nothing about whether they're collecting EI - since that is usually only 
>>available for a limited time, and someone may still be looking for work after

>>that time, and others may never be eligible for it, I don't see how it COULD
be 
>>a usable statistic.
> 
> 
> 
> How does the government tell if you are seeking work (either actively
> or passively) if you are NOT collecting Unemployment Insurance? Job
> seekers in the US (who aren't collecting UI), anyway, are not required
> to report anything to any government agency.

Whether or not someone is collecting EI/UI is hardly an accurate indicator 
either, though - as I said, many may not even be eligible for it, or may have 
used up whatever payments they had coming... are they then not looking for work

anymore?  Seems to me one would be MORE likely to look for work if EI/UI is not

available.

> Are businesses required to report how many resumees came through their
> in boxes every month?

I have no idea... reports from employment agencies perhaps?  Scanning of job 
boards?  In Canada, the federal government has their own employment services 
where job-seekers can register.  Of couse, it's all based on statistical 
averages, there's obviously not an exact count... but counting UI recipients is

the farthest thing I can see from an accurate indicator.
                                                                        
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