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Skriven 2006-08-28 23:41:00 av Robert E Starr JR (7719.babylon5)
Ärende: Re: My presidential pick
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On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 12:17:57 GMT, Wendy of NJ <voxwoman@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 04:50:39 +0000 (GMT), Matt Ion
><soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote:
>
>>Wendy of NJ wrote:
>>> On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 21:24:02 +0000 (GMT), Matt Ion
>>> <soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>Wendy of NJ wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>It depends on how you define "homeless" - I think it's broader than
>>>>>living on the streets, and may include people like my oldest stepson,
>>>>>who sleeps on couches at 4 or 5 different places during the week. (He
>>>>>doesn't believe in paying rent when someone or other will let him
>>>>>"crash" at their house). 
>>>>
>>>>Well, unemployment numbers are generally calculated from how many people
are 
>>>>actually LOOKING for jobs, not just how many aren't working.  I would
expect 
>>>>"homelessness" stats would work on a similar concept, not counting people
who 
>>>>simply have no interest in find a home.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I thought it was just people who are actively collecting unemployment
>>> insurance (and thus are "supposed" to be looking for work).
>>
>>Depends on the jurisdiction, of course... but I've known plenty of people who

>>are not collecting EI (Canada calles it "Employment Insurance") who are also 
>>seeking jobs - pretty sure they're calculated in the unemployment rate.
>>
>>Lot of detail on how it's calculated in both the US and Canada here:
>>http://www.econ.ubc.ca/riddell/canusune.pdf#search=%22canada%20unemployment%20rate%22

>>
>>"The most important adjustment arises from the fact that Canada treats as 
>>unemployed those who engaged in any job search during the previous month, 
>>whereas the US requires "active" search -- defined as an activity that could 
>>result in a job offer. Thus those who use only "passive" search methods are 
>>treated as unemployed in Canada but out-of-the-labour force in the US."
>>
>>Nothing about whether they're collecting EI - since that is usually only 
>>available for a limited time, and someone may still be looking for work after

>>that time, and others may never be eligible for it, I don't see how it COULD
be 
>>a usable statistic.
>
>
>How does the government tell if you are seeking work (either actively
>or passively) if you are NOT collecting Unemployment Insurance? Job
>seekers in the US (who aren't collecting UI), anyway, are not required
>to report anything to any government agency.
>
>Are businesses required to report how many resumees came through their
>in boxes every month?
>
>-Wendy

I don't know about the US, but here in Australia, the ABS (Australian
Bureau of Statistics) conducts a regular survey to got the monthly
unemployment figures. As with any statistical survey a random sample
of the population  is used. Respondents are asked if they undertook
paid work for an hour or more in the last week, if they were in full
time employment, if they were in part-time employment and if so if
they wanted more hours, if they were job-seeking and so forth. They
survey the same households  once a month for a given peroid (I think
it was a year) and then redo the sample. So as well as unemployment
figures, you get figures for the number of people in full-time work,
part-time work and the participation rate. My household was in the
survey sample a few years back.

http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/Lookup/6202.0Explanatory%20Notes1Jul%202006?OpenDocument


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