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Skriven 2006-09-24 11:55:00 av Robert E Starr JR (9406.babylon5)
Ärende: Re: My presidential pick
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Amy Guskin wrote:
>>> On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 22:53:54 -0400, Carl wrote
> (in article <WZydnRbbmtNfPInYnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@comcast.com>):
> 
>>
>> Amy Guskin wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 21:06:14 -0400, Carl wrote
>>> (in article <OfSdnfIEsZYbFYnYnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@comcast.com>):
>>>
>>>> Josh Hill wrote:
>>>>> The point is that one might have said the same thing about Monica. The
>>>>> press made a big brouhaha about that one and the family discord that
>>>>> ensued, and said nothing whatsoever about Bush's spat.
>>>> First, as I've said before... I couldn't care less about Lewinsky.
>>>>
>>>> Still, I think that having an affair in the Oval Office with an intern 
>>>> is substantially different than having a spat with your spouse (if 
>>>> that's even true, I don't know). <<
>>> Yes, but what brought on the spat?  You could argue that what went on 
>>> between 
>>> President and Mrs. Clinton about Lewinsky was just a marital spat, too.  
>> If you can't see the difference then you are choosing not to.  That's 
>> fine, but if so let's stop here because you're position in entrenched
>> and I do see a difference.  <<
> 
> So, I'm positional, but you're right?

I thought it was implied that I'm not likely to change my position 
because I do see a difference.



> 
>>>>> The 
>>> only difference is that whatever George and Laura are (were) fighting about

>>> hasn't been made public yet.  
>> It could be that Laura is sick of living in a fish bowl, she's tired of 
>> his snoring or doesn't like who he's become while in office.  Who 
>> knows... and until there's some real evidence of something more, then 
>> it's none of our business...or are you suggesting that you have the 
>> right to snoop in their bedroom? <<
> 
> Snoring isn't a good enough excuse -- the White House has a lot of bedrooms.
> 
>>>> If GWB starts to lie under oath, then I'll start to care... and I don't 
>> care if it's about sex or not. <<
> 
> Why does it have to be under oath?  There's been plenty of lying to the 
> public already.

So did Clinton and so does every other politician.  You have not heard 
me claim to be shocked by this or condemn one side or another as being 
unique in this.

Under oath is a very different thing.  It's a matter of honor.  If you 
violate your word, your oath and your honor in this way ... particularly 
for something as petty and self-serving ... your word is meaningless and 
your honor non-existent.

> 
>>>>> And incidentally, insider speculation about why 
>>> Laura moved out is because of a purported affair between George and 
>>> Condoleeza Rice...
>> If something comes out to substantiate that, then by all means
>> sink your teeth into him the same way the right did to Clinton.
>> Actually, I have no doubt the left would be even more vicious. <<
> 
> More vicious??  On what basis?  Certainly not from the past fourteen years of

> outrageous political backbiting and smearing and swiftboating, which has 
> overwhelmingly come from the right.
> 
>>>> However... it would be proper to wait until you have more than a rumor. <<
> 
> That's funny in so many ways.  I reference once again Bill Clinton and the ad

> nauseum reportage of rumors of him having had Vince Foster murdered.

And there were rumors that Bush had bin Laden on ice for months and was 
going to bring him out right before the 2004 election... or that Bush 
ordered the 9-11 attacks.. or that bin Laden was in league with Bush to 
get him re-elected.


What you're saying is that you have the right to condemn based on rumor 
after years of (rightfully) criticizing others that have done so?

Carl
                                                                               
                         
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