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Skriven 2006-09-24 12:21:00 av Robert E Starr JR (9443.babylon5)
Ärende: Re: Can You BELIEVE This?
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>>On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 00:19:10 -0400, Mac Breck wrote
(in article <4514bb2a$0$19917$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net>):

> "Amy Guskin" <aisling@fjordstone.com> wrote in message
> news:0001HW.C13A15D3000570F8F0407530@news.verizon.net...
>>>> On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 22:22:54 -0400, Carl wrote
>> (in article <YoKdnayHdYvjB4nYnZ2dnUVZ_rCdnZ2d@comcast.com>):
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Amy Guskin wrote:
>>> 
>>>> My guess is that those of you who are all "Pshaw, it's nothing!"
> over this
>>>> phrase are western-European descended white males.
>>> 
>>> I confess I'm disappointed at this comment. <<
>> 
>> Why?  I don't believe that _anyone_ who has _ever_ had any kind of
> negative
>> aspersions cast upon their ancestry would be able to see
> "nigger-rigged" -- 
>> or any other version thereof -- as "humorous."  Both Charlie and Mac
> say it's
>> humorous.
> 
> What?  I never said it was humorous.  It's not funny.  It's meant to
> convey CONTEMPT about the job.  In Phil's case, it was about the job
> done in constructing the bathroom floor supports. <<

You accused the people who took exception to the comment as having "no sense 
of humor" (http://tinyurl.com/jzz5r).  Generally, that means you find 
something humorous that others do not.

>>>>> Having heard "jew him down" used casually, I cannot even remotely
>> imagine using such a term as "nigger-rigged" and equating it with
> humor, or
>> "it's just an idiom" or anything else you might say to whitewash it.
> Knowing
>> how painful and humiliating such a term can be from personal
> experience, I
>> thus conjecture that those who _can_ use such a term with impunity
> have never
>> been hurt by one.
> 
> And that's why I said it isn't right to use "jew him down" in front of a
> Jew, etc. etc.  That's not polite/nice.  If it's used at all, it should
> be in front of people for whom it's not likely to be a flashpoint,
> people who you know are not going to be offended by it. <<

As I said in my last reply to you, if you have enough sense to realize that 
it's offensive to SOME, then you must acknowledge that you DO know that it is 
an offensive term.  Yet you choose to continue to use it.

>>>> And while there are certainly derogatory terms for _any_
>> peoples, including western European ones, on the whole, white males of
>> western European descent are on the receiving end of comparably much
> less
>> discrimination from the world around them.
> 
> IMO, the world seems to be going overboard with PC-ness. <<

I guess that's really easy to say for a white person who still uses the word 
"nigger."

>> I guess I
> shouldn't wear my Crusade hat because it might offend Muslims. <<

"Crusade" isn't a derogatory term, just as "holocaust" isn't.  I use the word 
"holocaust" as a generic term when I need it -- "crusade" would (or should) 
be the same thing for a Muslim.

>> Maybe I
> shouldn't wear my Pennsylvania Railroad hat or jacket because it might
> offend the ol' Southern boys (bosses) of Norfolk Southern.  <<

Where's the highly offensive derogatory term there?

>> What's
> next???  There's so much concern about not offending *anybody* about
> *anything*, *ever* that if you say anything it's like you're trying to
> navigate a minefield.  If the skins get much thinner around here, pretty
> soon there won't be any skins at all. <<

Yeah, next you won't be able to call Hispanic people "spics," Jews "hebes," 
and people from India "wogs"!  And how can you ever tell funny stories about 
the 7-11 if you can't say "towelhead"?  What a terrible world that will be!  
</sarcasm>  I'd think that the word "nigger" is a fairly large and obvious 
mine in that minefield you feel you're navigating, Mac.  Most of the rest of 
the world seems to agree.

Amy
                  
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