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Skriven 2006-09-24 12:24:00 av Robert E Starr JR (9457.babylon5)
Ärende: Re: Can You BELIEVE This?
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"Amy Guskin" <aisling@fjordstone.com> wrote in message 
news:0001HW.C13AB2DB002A3F03F0407530@news.verizon.net...
>>> On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 07:39:27 -0400, Kurt Ullman wrote
> (in article
> <kurtullman-CF4832.07392623092006@customer-201-125-217-207.uninet.net.mx>):
>
>> In article <0001HW.C13A06A00001E112F0407530@news.verizon.net>,
>>  Amy Guskin <aisling@fjordstone.com> wrote:
>>
>>> My guess is that those of you who are all "Pshaw, it's nothing!" over 
>>> this
>>> phrase are western-European descended white males.
>>    And for some reason this ISN"T a bigoted response. <<
>
> And where is the racially offensive term in that sentence?
>
> As I explained to Carl in another message, I had a reason for saying that.
> My reason being, anyone who has ever heard someone "innocently" use a term
> that disparages their ancestry, and who has felt that kind of burning 
> shame
> and anger that that causes, would never in their wildest dreams think to 
> use
> that term that Mac and Charlie think is just fine and inoffensive.  Thus,
> they must be from the group that historically is the focal point of the 
> least
> bias, the fewest ethnic slurs, and a general ability to move through the
> world (here in the US) without being discriminated against: 
> western-European
> descended white males.  So, not at all bigoted, in fact: just a 
> well-reasoned
> socio-cultural conclusion.

Amy, I was born in Chicago and I lived in an area that I was most definitely
a minority and had a lot offensive things thrown at me. The culmination of
that bias against me based on my race included a knife in my gut and being
left to die in an alley when I was 7.

You can have all your "well reasoned socio-cultural conclusions," but 
they're
still stereotypes... and they still presume that it's white males that are 
the ones
that going to be offensive.

It's always easy to assume it's "some other group" that's much worse than 
"My"
group... but there are equally offensive people of every group, every 
gender,
every degree of education.

You have to treat such people as individuals or you add to the tensions and 
divisions
that we already have.


>
>>> (Actually I am of
>> the demographic and  thought the way you did on the original)> <<
>
> You're from a major metropolitan coastal region, right?  I think maybe 
> it's a
> middle-of-the-country thing; I'm taking note of who says they've heard the
> term, and who was completely flummoxed by it -- Josh and I had never heard
> it, and we've spent most of our lives in major metropolitan coastal 
> regions
> (right, Josh?).

Now you're dividing end coasters with middle of the country.  Why do people 
always
do that?  I've lived in large meto areas most of muy life.  I've lived in 
Europe.
I've travelled extensively and yet you presume to stereotype me and
everyone in the midwest.

To be fair, a lot of people do the same thing to you too, but I find it 
unfortunate.

I need to take a break from this discussion for a while.  Absum!

Carl

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