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Skriven 2006-10-14 03:05:28 av Amy Guskin
Ärende: Re: Further B5:TLT update from jms
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From: Amy Guskin <aisling@fjordstone.com>

>> On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:41:01 -0400, Shabaz wrote
(in article <1160750461.461425.126040@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>):

> Amy Guskin wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 23:41:29 -0400, Shabaz wrote
>> (in article <1160710889.028519.83780@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>):
>>> 
>>> Oh, all of those would have had colour grading done them to some
>>> extent. The digital part just means that it would allow them way more
>>> flexibility in the process, and possibly some more room to experiment a
>>> bit. Which is what I wondering about. Also, since it's shot digitally,
>>> the pipeline (which in the rule does involve colour grading, or colour
>>> timing) is a bit different, and more likely to involve digital grading.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> But again, saying that colour grading is a gimmick is a bit like saying
>>> that shooting stuff with a camera is a gimmick because the folks at BSG
>>> tend to shake around theirs at times. <<
>> 
>> Okay, now that Matt's given me an analogy I can understand, and I've gone
>> back and reviewed your initial comment about this, I've decided that my
>> initial reply still stands.  You said initially:
>> 
>>>> To make a bit of a tangential aside, about something I'm pretty sure
>> I'm one of the few that cares about it; I'm personally kind of curious
>> what will be done with the colour grading. I'm personally a fan of some
>> of the more heavy handed grading, that can for instance be done with
>> digital grading, and hope that they will also experiment a bit with
>> that, possible since it is now easier to do with TLT being shot
>> digitally. I think it can really help to bring out mood and atmosphere,
>> and I love some things that have been done in more recent television.<<
>> 
>> So, while color grading itself is just a tool -- which can be used well or
>> badly -- it sounds to me like you _are_ hoping for them to explore some of
>> the more gimmicky uses of color grading, which is what I (and at least 
>> Chris)
>> objected to.
>> 
>> I think that if TLT does that, the first thing out of people's mouthes when
>> they see the show is, "Oh, look, they're trying to look exactly like BSG."
>> (Which would be ironic, as the first thing out of my mouth when the first
>> episode of BSG appeared on my tv was "Oh, look, they're trying to look
>> exactly like B5." <g>)
>> 
>> Amy
> 
> I suppose under your definition what I want in that post is "gimmicky".
> But for the record, what I had in mind when I used the word "heavy
> handed" is also something like what they did in LotR. Again, I I fear I
> have indeed been expressing myself really poor, and for that my
> apologies. I wouldn't want them to use grading to make B5 look like a
> radioactive wasteland, or anything like that. I think when I said mood
> and atmosphere, that at least was pretty clearly expressing what I had
> in my head. It's more about... making use of the flexibility of the
> more modern forms of grading to create something unique, and push the
> edges a bit in that department.
> 
> I've made some screenshots of LotR (which was graded with a digital
> intermediate) to illustrate how big of a change the grading made
> happen, without ever getting particularly obtrusive, or calling
> attention to itself. And yet, if you see the before and after I think
> you would agree it is done with a pretty heavy hand, but in a good way.
> If you know the before, you'll see the big difference, but if not, it
> shouldn't be obtrusive, or jump out as just a 'gimmick'. You can find
> them here: http://tinyurl.com/ykcqod <<

Now see, I wouldn't call any of that heavy-handed.  Nothing jumps out as 
visually jarring.  I think it might be a language barrier thing, though.  
When I think "heavy-handed," I think "overuse."  In several of those (notably 
the change of the color of the river, and the Galadriel one), they certainly 
made _strong_ use of the technology, but not what I'd think of as 
"heavy-handed."

Thanks for the education, in any case.

Amy

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