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Text 11, 305 rader
Skriven 2004-08-17 18:24:00 av George Pope
Ärende: on 9/11 & conspiration
==============================
The Coincidence Theorist's Guide to 9/11
Happy coincidenting!

That governments have permitted terrorist acts against their own people, and
have even themselves been perpetrators in order to find strategic advantage
is quite likely true, but this is the United States we're talking about.

That intelligence agencies, financiers, terrorists and narco-criminals have
a long history together is well established, but the Nugan Hand Bank, BCCI,
Banco Ambrosiano, the P2 Lodge, the CIA/Mafia anti-Castro/Kennedy alliance,
Iran/Contra and the rest were a long time ago, so there's no need to rehash
all that. That was then, this is now!

That Jonathan Bush's Riggs Bank has been found guilty of laundering
terrorist funds and fined a US-record $25 million must embarrass his nephew
George, but it's still no justification for leaping to paranoid conclusions.

That George Bush's brother Marvin sat on the board of the Kuwaiti-owned
company which provided electronic security to the World Trade Centre, Dulles
Airport and United Airlines means nothing more than you must admit those
Bush boys have done alright for themselves.

That George Bush found success as a businessman only after the investment of
Osama's brother Salem and reputed al Qaeda financier Khalid bin Mahfouz is
just one of those things - one of those crazy things.

That Osama bin Laden is known to have been an asset of US foreign policy in
no way implies he still is.

That al Qaeda was active in the Balkan conflict, fighting on the same side
as the US as recently as 1999, while the US protected its cells, is merely
one of history's little aberrations.

The claims of Michael Springman, State Department veteran of the Jeddah visa
bureau, that the CIA ran the office and issued visas to al Qaeda members so
they could receive training in the United States, sound like the sour grapes
of someone who was fired for making such wild accusations.

That one of George Bush's first acts as President, in January 2001, was to
end the two-year deployment of attack submarines which were positioned
within striking distance of al Qaeda's Afghanistan camps, even as the
group's guilt for the Cole bombing was established, proves that a transition
from one administration to the next is never an easy task.

That so many influential figures in and close to the Bush White House had
expressed, just a year before the attacks, the need for a "new Pearl Harbor"
before their militarist ambitions could be fulfilled, demonstrates nothing
more than the accidental virtue of being in the right place at the right
time.

That the company PTECH, founded by a Saudi financier placed on America's
Terrorist Watch List in October 2001, had access to the FAA's entire
computer system for two years before the 9/11 attack, means he must not have
been such a threat after all.

That whistleblower Indira Singh was told to keep her mouth shut and forget
what she learned when she took her concerns about PTECH to her employers and
federal authorities, suggests she lacked the big picture. And that the Chief
Auditor for JP Morgan Chase told Singh repeatedly, as she answered questions
about who supplied her with what information, that "that person should be
killed," suggests he should take an anger management seminar.

That on May 8, 2001, Dick Cheney took upon himself the job of co-ordinating
a response to domestic terror attacks even as he was crafting the
administration's energy policy which bore implications for America's
military, circumventing the established infrastructure and ignoring the
recommendations of the Hart-Rudman report, merely shows the VP to be someone
who finds it hard to delegate.

That the standing order which covered the shooting down of hijacked aircraft
was altered on June 1, 2001, taking discretion away from field commanders
and placing it solely in the hands of the Secretary of Defense, is simply
poor planning and unfortunate timing. Fortunately the error has been
corrected, as the order was rescinded shortly after 9/11.

That in the weeks before 9/11, FBI agent Colleen Rowley found her
investigation of Zacarias Moussaoui so perversely thwarted that her
colleagues joked that bin Laden had a mole at the FBI, proves the
stress-relieving virtue of humour in the workplace.

That Dave Frasca of the FBI's Radical Fundamentalist Unit received a
promotion after quashing multiple, urgent requests for investigations into
al Qaeda assets training at flight schools in the summer of 2001 does appear
on the surface odd, but undoubtedly there's a good reason for it, quite
possibly classified.

That FBI informant Randy Glass, working an undercover sting, was told by
Pakistani intelligence operatives that the World Trade Center towers were
coming down, and that his repeated warnings which continued until weeks
before the attacks, including the mention of planes used as weapons, were
ignored by federal authorities, is simply one of the many "What Ifs" of that
tragic day.

That over the summer of 2001 Washington received many urgent, senior-level
warnings from foreign intelligence agencies and governments - including
those of Germany, France, Great Britain, Russia, Egypt, Israel, Morocco,
Afghanistan and others - of impending terror attacks using hijacked aircraft
and did nothing, demonstrates the pressing need for a new Intelligence Czar.

That John Ashcroft stopped flying commercial aircraft in July 2001 on
account of security considerations had nothing to do with warnings regarding
September 11, because he said so to the 9/11 Commission.

That former lead counsel for the House David Schippers says he'd taken to
John Ashcroft's office specific warnings he'd learned from FBI agents in New
York of an impending attack - even naming the proposed dates, names of the
hijackers and the targets - and that the investigations had been stymied and
the agents threatened, proves nothing but David Schipper's pathetic need for
attention.

That Garth Nicolson received two warnings from contacts in the intelligence
community and one from a North African head of state, which included
specific site, date and source of the attacks, and passed the information to
the Defense Department and the National Security Council to evidently no
effect, clearly amounts to nothing, since virtually nobody has ever heard of
him.

That in the months prior to September 11, self-described US intelligence
operative Delmart Vreeland sought, from a Toronto jail cell, to get US and
Canadian authorities to heed his warning of his accidental discovery of
impending catastrophic attacks is worthless, since Vreeland was a dubious
character, notwithstanding the fact that many of his claims have since been
proven true.

That FBI Special Investigator Robert Wright claims that agents assigned to
intelligence operations actually protect terrorists from investigation and
prosecution, that the FBI shut down his probe into terrorist training camps,
and that he was removed from a money-laundering case that had a direct link
to terrorism, sounds like yet more sour grapes from a disgruntled employee.

That George Bush had plans to invade Afghanistan on his desk before 9/11
demonstrates only the value of being prepared.

The suggestion that securing a pipeline across Afghanistan figured into the
White House's calculations is as ludicrous as the assertion that oil played
a part in determining war in Iraq.

That Afghanistan is once again the world's principal heroin producer is an
unfortunate reality, but to claim the CIA is still actively involved in the
narcotics trade is to presume bad faith on the part of the agency.

Mahmood Ahmed, chief of Pakistan's ISI, must not have authorized an al Qaeda
payment of $100,000 to Mohammed Atta days before the attacks, and was not
meeting with senior Washington officials over the week of 9/11, because I
didn't read anything about him in the official report.

That Porter Goss met with Ahmed the morning of September 11 in his capacity
as Chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence has no
bearing whatsoever upon his recent selection by the White House to head the
Central Intelligence Agency.

That Goss's congressional seat encompasses the 9/11 hijackers' Florida base
of operation, including their flight schools, is precisely the kind of
meaningless factoid a conspiracy theorist would bring up.

It's true that George HW Bush and Dick Cheney spent the evening of September
10 alone in the Oval Office, but what's wrong with old colleagues catching
up? And it's true that George HW Bush and Shafig bin Laden, Osama's brother,
spent the morning of September 11 together at a board meeting of the Carlyle
Group, but the bin Ladens are a big family.

That FEMA arrived in New York on Sept 10 to prepare for a scheduled
biowarfare drill, and had a triage centre ready to go that was larger and
better equipped than the one that was lost in the collapse of WTC 7, was a
lucky twist of fate.

Newsweek's report that senior Pentagon officials cancelled flights on Sept
10 for the following day on account of security concerns is only newsworthy
because of what happened the following morning.

That George Bush's telephone logs for September 11 do not exist should
surprise no one, given the confusion of the day.

That Mohamed Atta attended the International Officer's School at Maxwell Air
Force Base, that Abdulaziz Alomari attended Brooks Air Force Base Aerospace
Medical School, that Saeed Alghamdi attended the Defense Language Institute
in Monterey merely shows it is a small world, after all.

That Lt Col Steve Butler, Vice Chancellor for student affairs of the Defense
Language Institute during Alghamdi's terms, was disciplined, removed from
his post and threatened with court martial when he wrote "Bush knew of the
impending attacks on America. He did nothing to warn the American people
because he needed this war on terrorism. What is...contemptible is the
President of the United States not telling the American people what he knows
for political gain," is the least that should have happened for such
disrespect shown his Commander in Chief.

That Mohammed Atta dressed like a Mafioso, had a stripper girlfriend,
smuggled drugs, was already a licensed pilot when he entered the US, enjoyed
pork chops, drank to excess and did cocaine, was closer to Europeans than
Arabs in Florida, and included the names of defence contractors on his email
list, proves how dangerous the radical fundamentalist Muslim can be.

That 43 lbs of heroin was found on board the Lear Jet owned by Wally
Hilliard, the owner of Atta's flight school, just three weeks after Atta
enrolled - the biggest seizure ever in Central Florida - was just bad luck.
That Hilliard was not charged shows how specious the claims for conspiracy
truly are.

That Hilliard's plane had made 30-round trips to Venezuela with the same
passengers who always paid cash, that the plane had been supplied by a pair
of drug smugglers who had also outfitted CIA drug runner Barry Seal, and
that 9/11 commissioner Richard ben-Veniste had been Seal's attorney before
Seal's murder, shows nothing but the lengths to which conspiracists will go
to draw sinister conclusions.

Reports of insider trading on 9/11 are false, because the SEC investigated
and found only respectable investors who will remain nameless involved, and
no terrorists, so the windfall profit-taking was merely, as ever,
coincidental.

That heightened security for the World Trade Centre was lifted immediately
prior to the attacks illustrates that it always happens when you least
expect it.

That Hani Hanjour, the pilot of Flight 77, was so incompetent he could not
fly a Cessna in August, but in September managed to fly a 767 at excessive
speed into a spiraling, 270-degree descent and a level impact of the first
floor of the Pentagon, on the only side that was virtually empty and had
been hardened to withstand a terrorist attack, merely demonstrates that
people can do almost anything once they set their minds to it.

That none of the flight data recorders were said to be recoverable even
though they were located in the tail sections, and that until 9/11, no
solid-state recorder in a catastrophic crash had been unrecoverable, shows
how there's a first time for everything.

That Mohammed Atta left a uniform, a will, a Koran, his driver's license and
a "how to fly planes" video in his rental car at the airport means he had
other things on his mind.

The mention of Israelis with links to military-intelligence having been
arrested on Sept 11 videotaping and celebrating the attacks, of an Israeli
espionage ring surveiling DEA and defense installations and trailing the
hijackers, and of a warning of impending attacks delivered to the Israeli
company Odigo two hours before the first plane hit, does not deserve a
response. That the stories also appeared in publications such as Ha'aretz
and Forward is a sad display of self-hatred among certain elements of the
Israeli media.

That multiple military wargames and simulations were underway the morning of
9/11 - one simulating the crash of a plane into a building; another, a
live-fly simulation of multiple hijackings - and took many interceptors away
from the eastern seaboard and confused field commanders as to which was a
real hijacked aircraft and which was a hoax, was a bizarre coincidence, but
no less a coincidence.

That the National Military Command Center ops director asked a rookie
substitute to stand his watch at 8:30 am on Sept. 11 is nothing more than
bad timing.

That a recording made Sept 11 of air traffic controllers' describing what
they had witnessed, was destroyed by an FAA official who crushed it in his
hand, cut the tape into little pieces and dropped them in different trash
cans around the building, is something no doubt that overzealous official
wishes he could undo.

That the FBI knew precisely which Florida flight schools to descend upon
hours after the attacks should make every American feel safer knowing their
federal agents are on the ball.

That a former flight school executive believes the hijackers were "double
agents," and says about Atta and associates, "Early on I gleaned that these
guys had government protection. They were let into this country for a
specific purpose," and was visited by the FBI just four hours after the
attacks to intimidate him into silence, proves he's an unreliable witness,
for the simple reason there is no conspiracy.

That Jeb Bush was on board an aircraft that removed flight school records to
Washington in the middle of the night on Sept 12th demonstrates how
seriously the governor takes the issue of national security.

To insinuate evil motive from the mercy flights of bin Laden family members
and Saudi royals after 9/11 shows the sickness of the conspiratorial
mindset.

Le Figaro's report in October 2001, known to have originated with French
intelligence, that the CIA met Osama bin Laden in a Dubai hospital in July
2001, proves again the perfidy of the French.

That the tape in which bin Laden claims responsibility for the attacks was
released by the State Department after having been found providentially by
US forces in Afghanistan, and depicts a fattened Osama with a broader face
and a flatter nose, proves Osama, and Osama alone, masterminded 9/11.

That at the battle of Tora Bora, where bin Laden was surrounded on three
sides, Special Forces received no order to advance and capture him and were
forced to stand and watch as two Russian-made helicopters flew into the area
where bin Laden was believed hiding, loaded up passengers and returned to
Pakistan, demonstrates how confusing the modern battlefield can be.

That upon returning to Fort Bragg from Tora Bora, the same Special
Operations troops who had been stood down from capturing bin Laden, suffered
a unusual spree of murder/suicides, is nothing more than a series of
senseless tragedies.


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