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Skriven 2004-12-08 09:23:00 av George Pope
     Kommentar till en text av STEVE ASHER
Ärende: Oz "Freedom of Religion"
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SA> SA> understood the implications of adopting her "Universal Laws"
SA> SA> on Christians and others who would be considered to be idolaters
SA> SA> under the first of the seven "noachide laws" from the Talmud,
SA> SA> and subject to execution by beheading. While the bulk of the
SA>
SA>  GP> Where are you pulling this from?
SA>
SA> From the sites of those seeking to enact and / or enforce the "Noachide
SA> Laws" ... such as B'nai No'ach News & Information Center ...

Do you have some URLs, please?

SA> Notice how they expand on the seven "laws" and seek to present the
SA> Rabbis as being the "true keepers of the keys to God's kingdom, while
SA> prohibiting belief in a "false prophet", "false messiah", or "false
SA> religion".

They may well have such OPINIONS, but this doesn't make them in any way
authoritative in this, nor does it presume they have any real support among
their peers (ie. other rabbis)

Buncha noisemakers, kinda like Koresh, et al, over the years!

SA> What It Means To Be A Righteous Gentile (Benei Noah)
SA> By: Rabbi Ariel Bar Tzadok on: Tue 10 of Aug, 2004 [12:36 UTC]

Rabbi by whose ordination?

SA> These seven universal laws for the children of Noah are as applicable
SA> and in force today as they were in the days of Noah and in the days of
SA> James. Only by observing them does a gentile become a righteous
SA> gentile. These then are the seven general categories of the universal
SA> laws for the children of Noah, which are incumbent on all mankind:

And the punishment for NOT obeying them is simply  cessation of existence upon
one's death, much as with an animal!

Obedience to these 'laws of humanity' imbues one with a beingness of being
human, which gains one an eternal soul. . .

I hardly think that one wise-ass stand-alone group constitutes anything
warranting discussion under the heading of "Conspiracy"!

SA>     * 1. (The prohibition against) worship of false gods. (This
SA> includes the forbiddance in believing in a false prophet, false
SA> messiah and a false religion).

Then these rabbis condemn one of the largest Jewish groups in the world (the
Lubavitchers)

SA> Having set the stage for universal "acceptance" of the "noachide laws",
SA> the proponents can move to the next phases - the rejection of salvation
SA> by grace through faith in Jesus Christ and His atoning death for for
SA> sin on the cross, and subsequent resurrection to eternal life in favour
SA> of salvation through the law. Note: if righteousness came through the
SA> law, then Christ has died in vain (E.g. Galatians 2: 16-21).

Jesus was certainly a sincere Jew, but he was just as certainly NOT the
Messiah!

SA> They reject Jesus Christ as the one mediator between God and man, who
SA> gave himself as a ransom for all (as in 1 Timothy 2: 5 and 6), in favour

So does the largest Christian sect (the RCC) -- they don't believe in a single
mediator, because they believe Mary is "co-mediatrix with Christ"(per
catechism)

SA> Anyone who makes the mistake of worshipping a man for spiritual
SA> salvation will be betrayed (3). Eternal life comes directly from
SA> G-d, Who is One and infinite, and not through any mediator.

This is certainly in keeping with the overall teachings of Jesus, so how can it
be proof of a conspiracy AGAINST Xianity?

SA> At Mount Sinai, G-d gave the Ten Commandments (and hundreds of others)

Then STATEMENTS (as the first, "I am YHVH your God" is not a 'commandment'!)

SA> to the Jewish people. These laws apply only to the Jews in their
SA> special role as the world's spiritual leaders.

No, as the text clearly states, they are for the Jews for every day, so that
they might have LIFE!

SA> But for everyone else, G-d gave the Seven Commandments (and dozens of
SA> other laws). These commandments were given to Noah, after he left the
SA> ark that saved his family from the great flood, as an eternal covenant
SA> with all the peoples of the earth (7). Since Mount Sinai, the Jews
SA> have carried the message of these seven laws to all the peoples.

What "dozens of other laws"?

SA> A Hasidic gentile celebrates certain "Old Testament" holidays, not

As it says in the Christian Bible, all the world, in the Lord's Day, will
worship and celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles ("Sukkot" in the early fall)

SA> Christians are "idol worshippers", and liable for the death penalty
SA> under the first of the "noachide laws" ... Christmas ("X-mas") is
SA> to be abolished ...

Christmas should be abolished under the CHRISTIAN religion's foundational
texts!

SA> A gentile...is liable for the death penalty...if he has invented a
SA> religious holiday for himself...The general principle is we do not
SA> allow them to make new religious rituals and to make 'mitzvahs' for

So what is Chanukah, but a religious holiday invented by men, beyond the
Torah's teachings?

SA> themselves by their own devices. Rather they may either become a Ger
SA> Tzeddek and accept all the Mitvahs; or he (the Noahide) should stand

A "ger tzedek" who accepts all the mitzvahs is a JEW, 100% equally to all other
Jews!  And no longer a "ger"("stranger")

SA>  GP> And the Noachide Laws are already a part of Christianity, Islam,
SA>  GP> and all other compassionate religions, as well as most secular
SA>  GP> justice systems. . .
SA>
SA> Not Christianity - they are a counterfeit and a rejection of the
SA> gospel of salvation and eternal life through Jesus Christ, the
SA> one mediator between God and man, the only name through which
SA> man might be saved.

So you're saying that Xianity rejects "do not murder" and "do not commit sexual
immorality" and "do not commit idolatry"? (those are the three that are
explicitly stated as being applicable to Gentlle followers of "Christianity")

SA> The works of the Law simply do not cut it. The judeo-noachide
SA> conspiracy will be destroyed.

So what you're saying is Murder, Idolatry, Incest/Adultery, Theft, et al will
become permissible?!?

It's funny how Jesus taught explicitly that EVERY letter of the law of the
Torah will need to be observed FOREVER, but everybody who's taught in his name
since has denied this!

Your friend,
<+]::-{)}  (Cyberpope(the Bishop of ROM!))


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