Text 12757, 74 rader
Skriven 2007-03-07 21:38:00 av JIM WELLER (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av IAN HOARE
Ärende: BOOZE  70306
====================
 -=> Quoting Ian Hoare to Glen Jamieson <=-

 >I would guess that the most likely method used would be by evaporating
 >the alcohol from the wine at low temperature under a partial vacuum.
 >That should not remove any of the flavour elements.

 IH> Non volatile flavour elements wouldn't be much affected whenther
 IH> boiled under vacuum or at normal pressure. Why do you think that
 IH> volatile flavour elementa wouldn't be boiled off at low pressure,
 IH> while alcohol would?

Some of them must be. De-alcoholized wines never taste or smell as good
as the original product.

 IH> As to why one would want to de-alcoholise drinks, I know this runs
 IH> counter to current USAian thinking, but I find it very odd when someone
 IH> chooses for religious reasons not to eat pork, drink alcohol, refuses
 IH> beef or any meat, or whatever and then seems to insist on recreating
 IH> the taste of these components, or recreate copies of the dishes using
 IH> them. Strikes me as trying to have your cake and eat it. 
                                                       
 IH> Surely the "spirit of the law" is more important than its letter. If
 IH> your religion says don't eat chicken, then surely you shouldn't try to
 IH> doctor guinea fowl to make it taste "just like chicken" Surely it's
 IH> more honest to accept the discipline of the faith you live by and do
 IH> without, there's plenty of other food around.

R' Yosef Zushe Blech addresses that issue in an article on the Montreal
Kosher website:

    "As we have seen, modern food technology has made a variety of
    heretofore unattainable items within the technical reach of the
    Kosher consumer. The question we must now ask is the propriety of
    eating them. When eating certain foods, Chazal are concerned with
    the concept of Mar'is Ayin - the appearance of an inappropriate act.
    Indeed, we find that Chazal (Krisus 21b) restricted the way one can
    consume the blood of fish - which is technically permitted - lest it
    appear that one is eating non-Kosher blood of animals. While eating
    blood may seem a bit far-fetched today (unless one is living in
    Yorkshire), the Rashba (Teshuvos, Vol. III:247) clearly extends this
    concept to other situations where it might appear that the food is
    prohibited. Indeed, the Rama (Y.D. 87:3) discusses a concern with
    the use of almond milk together with meat, lest it appear that one
    has cooked meat and milk together. The concept of Mar'is Ayin is
    even cited as one of the reasons to prohibit Gebrukts - soaked
    Matzoh - on Pesach, lest someone think that the "breaded" chicken
    contained Chometz bread crumbs instead of Matzoh meal. As such, many
    Halachic authorities have grappled with the permissibility of many
    of the new, Kosher "forbidden fruit" that are now available. Most
    authorities concur that items that are commonly available as Kosher
    (and Pareve, if applicable) pose no concern, and Pareve coffee
    creamer, ice cream, and margarine are now so ubiquitous that they
    pose no real concern. Mock shrimp and cheese burgers, however, may
    be more of an issue, and a competent Halachic authority should be
    consulted."

OTOH one could make a case for health reasons. If one has developed a
taste for wine and is advised against consuming alcohol, for say liver
disease, one could turn to de-alcoholized wines as a safe, albeit
inferior, substitute.



Cheers

Jim, in Yellowknife




... Newton's laws of motion, that's all we need, more regulations.
___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30
--- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.0pr5
 * Origin: Doc's Place BBS Fido Since 1991 docsplace.tzo.com (1:123/140)