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DS> Sorry, but "My post is my cite" doesn't fly.  Give me website
DS> or a print source that proves your allegations.  I can't "just look"
DS> at the "all the chemicals."  And neither can you.
 
SD> Here ya go:
 
[long broken google link for a search on keywords "mcdonalds", "beef",
  "chemical" and "additives"]

SD> I'll let you go looking for your own information.

Since you're the one spouting the tinfoil hat stuff, you should be 
providing support for your own position.  I've already given evidence
you're wrong, but if you want to play that way, fine.  I think you'll
be sorry you didn't actually read any of those links you brought up.

To make it easy for you, I'll run the links through Tinyurl so they 
won't break onscreen.

1. http://tinyurl.com/q6srf - page asking for donations to Greenpeace,
using a reprint of an article by the Anti-McDonalds Campaign in the
UK.  Nope, that's not biased at all.  See below, though.

2. http://tinyurl.com/mlx7k - A PDF file with the original document
copied in #1. Their argument, BTW, boils down to "McDonalds is 
junk food, junk food is full of chemicals, chemicals are bad, 
therefore McDonalds food is full of chemicals and is bad."  That's
not proof.

3. http://tinyurl.com/goqhj - Explains how McDonalds switched to
a leaner ground beef in response to nutritional concerns, and
started taking flak about how the new burgers weren't "real
beef" because the texture and flavor changed.  REFUTES your
allegations.

4.  http://tinyurl.com/pkgds - McDonalds Nutritional Information.
Beef patty ingredients: " 100% pure USDA inspected beef; 
no additives, no fillers, no extenders."  Note that no matter
what country McDonalds buys their beef from, ALL of it is 
inspected by the USDA.  See that part about "no additives"?
Again, REFUTES your allegations.

5.  http://tinyurl.com/7nx7v - Links to a blog that claims that
"all the preservatives" used in McDonalds food keeps it from going
moldy faster than "real food" from a diner.  Trouble is, the foods
used are not exactly comparable and the "experiment" was not done
under controlled conditions.  Offers no proof of any additives
other than the blogger's opinions.

6.  http://tinyurl.com/mujla - Another reprint of #2.

7.  http://tinyurl.com/8s5en - Food additive page by the
Center for Science in the Public Interest, a lunatic fringe
group who issue periodic press releases about the dangers of just
about everything. They actually support a radical vegan agenda
and are not generally considered credible.  Regardless, the only
mention of McDonalds on that page is a reference to French fries.

8.  http://tinyurl.com/pmlt5 - Links to an NPR interview with
Eric Schlosser, author of Fast Food Nation.  Does not support
your allegations.  You should read Schlosser's book, BTW.  
Fascinating stuff.  The slaughterhouses he visited are pretty
nasty, but they don't add any chemicals.

9.  http://tinyurl.com/6x2sy - Nope, this one's about fries.

10. http://tinyurl.com/f36th - Another reprint of #2.

11. http://tinyurl.com/lovj7 - Another reprint of #2

12. http://tinyurl.com/dc8w4 - Links to an Alter.net story
about organic food; mentions peripherally that European 
McDonalds were forced by legislation to begin serving organic
milk and eggs.  No mention of beef.

13. http://tinyurl.com/pyub3 - Links to an anti-globalization
and pro-vegan page with other links, many of which are broken.
Makes the same unfounded allegations you do, similarly unproven
and unsupported by factual information.  Does include some links
about the unethical treatment of animals in slaughterhouses, 
however.  Unfortunately, lack of facts about chemical additives
mean that once again, you have an empty hand.

14. http://tinyurl.com/ea7at - Links to a "No MSG" message board.
This could be a legitimate concern, however, through discussions
on the boards the participants concluded (correctly) that MSG
is probably in things like the Special Sauce, tartar sauce, and
other condiments, not an ingredient in the burgers themselves.
REFUTES your allegations.

SD> You wanted websites?  There's 77,300 of them to go through.  Enjoy.
SD> That wasn't so hard, was it?

Those are the first fourteen hits on that Google search.  If you
had actually clicked on any of them, you would have found that
not a single one of them supports your position.  After that 
point the list starts degrading into hits about just "chemicals" or 
about "Old McDonald's Farm" and so forth.

So, no, it wasn't that hard.  I suspect it's a lot harder for you
to admit when you're wrong, though.

Next time, bring your own proof.  Then it might not blow up in your
face.


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