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     Kommentar till en text av GLEN JAMIESON
Ärende: KOSHER  60519
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DS> "Kosher birds include: capon, duck (domestic), goose (domestic), 
DS> chicken, turkey, guinea fowl and many others. As a general 
 
GJ> Ahem.  I thought the turkey as raised and eaten in the Americas
GJ> post-dated the writing of Leviticus.  It is quite a different bird
GJ> from the original pheasant-type known by that name, as was imported to
GJ> Europe via Turkey.

True, however, Leviticus spells out only those fowl that are unclean.
Any not mentioned are allowed; therefore, turkey are kosher.
From The Jewish Publication Society's 1917 translation:

    "11:13 And these ye shall have in detestation among the 
     fowls; they shall not be eaten, they are a detestable 
     thing: the great vulture, and the bearded vulture, and 
     the ospray;

     11:14 and the kite, and the falcon after its kinds;

     11:15 every raven after its kinds;

     11:16 and the ostrich, and the night-hawk, and the 
     sea-mew, and the hawk after its kinds;

     11:17 and the little owl, and the cormorant, and 
     he great owl;

     11:18 and the horned owl, and the pelican, and the 
     carrion-vulture;

     11:19 and the stork, and the heron after its kinds, 
     and the hoopoe, and the bat. "

DS> Leviticus outlines the non-kosher birds and the rest are all 
DS> kosher. In practice, however, only the birds that Jews have 
DS> a tradition of eating are actually eaten. "
 
GJ> A relatively recent tradition?  (As above)  Ostriches and 
GJ> emus are out I presume, as are assorted wild geese including 
GJ> Canuk ones?

"Tradition" is a flexible term; however, turkeys are not on the
list of forbidden fowl and so may be eaten.  Ostriches are
specifically forbidden, so yes, they're out.  Emus I suspect would
be out as a related specie?  Wild geese are not on The List and
there is no reason to presume they would not be kosher.  After all,
domestic geese are allowed, why not wild?

DS> As for eggs, Jim is correct; eggs of kosher birds are kosher,
DS> eggs from non-kosher birds are not.  Further, an unlaid egg
DS> found within the body cavity of a slaughtered kosher bird may
DS> be eaten, but only after going through the same process of blood
DS> removal as the meat. (Such eggs are considered fleishig.)
 
GJ> How do you remove blood from an egg?  (An immature one, as distinct
GJ> from an over-mature one, eg balut).

Though I'm not completely familiar, I imagine it would be similar
to any standard koshering process where the egg would be placed in
salt water to draw the blood out.

Balut is not an unlaid egg, however, and no special treatment
would be needed.

RH> Mixing meat and milk
GJ> I wonder what was the reasoning behind that..
JW> That one was probably political, not health orientated. 

DS> Jim's political interpretation of the dietary law is a reasonable
DS> assumption and may well be true, but I suggest that it came about
DS> rather because milk was considered to carry life to the newborn
DS> animal and therefore cooking a kid in its mother's milk was 
DS> uncomfortably close to eating blood.
 
GJ> Possible, but I prefer Jim's explanation.  I suppose we 
GJ> will never know "what is truth?", as P Pilate said...

As I said, Jim's explanation is reasonable, but any conjecture we
will make must remain a conjecture, and "obvious" explanations 
are not always correct.  I keep an open mind.




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