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Skriven 2008-07-03 00:28:10 av Dale Shipp (1:261/1466.0)
     Kommentar till en text av Dave Sacerdote
Ärende: Chowder
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 -=> On 07-02-08  06:57,  Dave Sacerdote <=-
 -=> spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: cheese  was: steak <=-

 DSac> The opinions of someone born, raised, and residing a thousand
 DSac> miles from the ocean is of little value in determining the
 DSac> contents of a clam chowder.
 
 DSh> Since when are Manhattan and Rhode Island 1000 miles from 
 DSh> the ocean?

 DSac> Rhode Island clam chowder is a clear-broth chowder which really has
 DSac> no bearing on the nomenclature of tomato soup with clams.

None of the tomato based clam chowders I have ever had beared any
resemblence to tomato soup.

 DSac> Also, you're quoting me out of context from a message to a
 DSac> Midwesterner; pity your argument is so weak that you need to resort to
 DSac> that kind of tactic.

While your message was to Dave Drum, the comment stands.  Dave Drum did
not name those chowders from Manhattan and Rhode Island.  People from
New England did that -- and did so before any of us were born.
 
 ->       Title: Manhattan Clam Chowder

 DSac> You can flood the echo with all the Manhattan "chowder" recipes you
 DSac> like, it still doesn't change anything.

Obviously.  Your mind is closed.

 -=> On 07-02-08  07:24,  Dave Sacerdote <=-
 -=> spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: cheese  was: steak <=-

 DSh> Not necessarily true -- many of the recipes for Rhode Island 
 DSh> chowder I find have tomatoes, some with both tomatoes and dairy.

 DSac> Since the vast majority of people FROM Rhode Island and the rest of
 DSac> New England understand Rhode Island clam chowder as being a clear
 DSac> broth (or "dairyless" if you prefer) chowder, that simply demonstrates
 DSac> that many of the recipes you find have been incorrectly titled.
 
The recipe I posted was by Fannie Farmer, near the turn of the previous
century.  I don't think that you can denigrate her or attempt to claim
she was not a reliable source from New England.

 DSac> I find it interesting that your position is so weak that it must
 DSac> continually rely upon misrepresenting me.

I know exactly what your stance is, and all of the foot stomping on your
part does not make it right.  I have misrepresented nothing.  It is you
who is myopic and ignoring reputable culinary sources from your area.
 
 DSh> Your insistence of the "one true path" is not shared by most.
 DSh> You may perfectly well state that you do not like clam chowders that
 DSh> have tomato in them -- but you cannot honestly deny that millions of
 DSh> people call them clam chowder.

 DSac> 'When _I_ use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a
 DSac> scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean
 DSac> -- neither more nor less.' "

I am well aware of that quote, but did not realize until now that was
the point of view you use to justify your position.

                               Dale Shipp
                  fido_261_1466 (at) comcast (dot) net
                              (1:261/1466)

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