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Skriven 2008-12-01 15:29:55 av Ruth Haffly (1:396/45.28)
  Kommentar till text 16978 av Nancy Backus (1:3634/12.0)
Ärende: LLLI cookbooks  was: strawberries                        [1]
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Hi Nancy,


 NB>  NB>> One gets used to certain substitutions for better nutrition, and
 NB> they  NB>> seem to work their way into other recipes.. (G)  "But I
 NB> CAN'T use... I  NB>> haven't got any in the house...!"

 RH> I know; if you've got any cook books that have brand name products
 RH> used in them......................  So what if the tomato sauce isn't
 RH> C or H or DM as long as it's tomato sauce?

 NB> I was thinking more of white sugar, instant rice, etc.  Brand name
 NB> substitutions go without saying around here... :)  Of course, which
 NB> ones of those are in the house may depend on what's in them, too.

I know, I don't use white sugar, flour or rice so I make quite a few
substitutions. And, there are some people who can't cook unless every
ingredient is exactly what's specified in the recipe.  Sad, isn't it?


 RH> She (Steve's mom) bottle fed all 5 of her kids; my nursing Rachel was
 RH> a first in their family.

 NB> That was my guess.  Along with her sister not nursing either.  If it's
 NB> not familiar, and there's not much support, any little thing can sour
 NB> the deal quickly.

Or curdle the milk. (G)


 RH> My MIL came down to help the first week but
 RH> couldn't really help with nursing problems.  She did fix a good sized
 RH> portion of broccoli for me one night (eat your vegetables); Rachel had
 RH> a good case of gas a few hours later. Her intentions were good but the
 RH> lack of knowledge was bad for all of us.

 NB> She meant well.  :)  Like my sister, who came to help us when Rob was
 NB> born, and, who when cooking frozen wonton soup cooked it until the
 NB> wontons fell apart...

Yes, you look back and laugh over those times.


 NB> nursing to go well,  NB>> one has to either have the right mindset
 NB> about it, or have lots of  NB>> good support... or both...  :)

 RH> I think it's a lot of both.  Rachel is nursing Sarah, and did Robert
 RH> but I know she started suppliments (relatively) early with Robert.  She
 RH> wants to go longer with straight nursing Sarah however.

 NB> Agreed, generally both...  Very strongly on either, though, can make
 NB> enough of a difference to make it go...  :)  One's experiences with
 NB> others nursing probably counts some in each category, as does one's
 NB> own experience... :)

Rachel hasn't talked much about what her friends have done nor did she
get into LLLI. But, she did read enough about it, plus, knowing that I
did it (and probably a lot of other reasons) made it fairly successful.


 RH> Keeps the formula/bottle industries in business. (G)  But, it's
 RH> something that you can't pressure a woman into, successfully anyway.

 NB> Got a point there... two points, actually...  :)  Very true, that
 NB> pressuring doesn't work... if nothing else, the stress makes the
 NB> process even less likely to be successful, which really defeats the
 NB> purpose. :)

A vicous cycle of defeat.

 NB> else...  NB>> but then, Mommy had nursed all of us, and we just took
 NB> it for granted  NB>> that that was the normal way to do things... and
 NB> the next generation

 RH> Same here. My mom claims she nursed all of us for 6 moths but my baby
 RH> book says that I was on all cows milk by Election Day.  My birthday is
 RH> in the latter part of July; her math doesn't add up there.

 NB> She was just learning on you...  you were the first, right?  :)  After
 NB> you, she made sure to nurse longer... :)

I'm the 2nd of 5, first girl. My older brother is 22 months  older,
sister right below me is 18 months younger.


 NB> Mommy claims to have usually nursed each for a year or more... it's
 NB> possible, as I really wasn't paying that much attention... the kid was
 NB> born, nursed, eventually was eating at the table with us, and the next
 NB> kid was born, etc...  I did notice that every time we moved, she was
 NB> either pregnant or nursing, so Daddy did the bulk of the packing and
 NB> moving... :)

Quite a chore, especially as the family increased.

 NB>  NB>> doing the same.  :)  Nowadays, I've noticed that there's a lot
 NB> more  NB>> support from the get-go, from the hospital when the baby is
 NB> born, and  NB>> usually from the doctors...

 RH> Yes, Rachel was visited by a lactation specialist when Sarah was only
 RH> about 3 hours old.  She also called Rachel a week later, don't know
 RH> about other times.  Sarah's doctor and Rachel's ob-gyn are both very
 RH> supportive as well.

 NB> They've learned a bit over the years... :)

Yes, and I'm glad they have.


 NB>  NB>> I think that similar happened with us... Richard was as great an
 NB>  NB>> advocate of it as I.  ;)

 RH> It's a big help when your husband is fully into it as well.  Steve had
 RH> thought I'd bottle feed as that was all he basically knew about.  When
 RH> I told him I'd be doing otherwise, he started reading about it.  The
 RH> more he read, the more he got into the positives of the idea.  When I
 RH> was pregnant with Deborah, I'd kid him every so often by saying "I
 RH> think I'll try bottle feeding this one........" and got a strong "don't
 RH> even think about it" answer back.

 NB> If I remember correctly, Richard's mom had bottle-fed her oldest
 NB> (possibly started nursing and had problems), but then nursed him, the
 NB> younger of two, successfully..  So, while he wouldn't have had any
 NB> direct experience, he also wasn't pre-disposed against.  I don't even
 NB> remember if we discussed it beforehand... other than as part of
 NB> general prep for having the baby... I'm sure I was pretty
 NB> matter-of-fact about
 NB> planning to do what was totally natural to me... nurse, just like I'd
 NB> seen modelled...  :)  NO need for bottles, except maybe water... and
 NB> to hold expressed milk...  ;)

I was told that a well nourished baby wouldn't even need water--as
judged by the number of wet diapers in a day.

 NB>  RH>> Cute.  We were surrogate grandparents to the baby that lived
 NB> next to  RH>> us in HI.  I was there when he was born.
 NB>  NB>> I was there for Derek's birth too... part of the team... :)

 RH> It was funny with Amy; her coloring is similar to mine and she's
 RH> Rachel's age so everyone thought I was the real grandmother.


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