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Skriven 2012-03-16 09:55:00 av Glen Jamieson
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Hello Hap,

 ->  ->  HN> US nuclear attack subs have worked in littoral 
 ->  ->  HN> waters for years. However I would not recommend
 ->  ->  HN> them as a regular diet. I suppose it would also
 -> 
 -> My personal view is that Australia doesn't need submarines.  Any
 -> seaborne invasion force would be detected long before arrival, and
 -> dealt with by air or surface defence.  Considering the most recent
 -> naval skirmish, in the Falklands, were submarines used?  I think it
 -> was all aircraft and ship to ship missiles.
 ->
 HN> Any seaborne invasion force would already
 HN> have prepared defenses for air and surface
 HN> attacks. It is much harder to defend against
 HN> an unseen attacker who can attack anywhere along
 HN> the route, and possibly remain undetected after
 HN> the attack as well.

That makes my point that a submarine is primarily an offensive weapon.
During WW2 over 40 ships were sunk by Japanese submarines along the
Australian East coast, and some towns shelled, but of course that was
never publicised at the time.  The ferry sunk in Sydney Harbour could
hardly be kept secret, though.  As I do not think that Australia has
plans to attack any of the neighbours, I doubt that submarines would be
needed in our navy as much as some other types.  Fast destroyers,
patrol boats and transports, and in particular, landing craft that can
carry heavy earth-moving equipment, helicopters and hospitals would
doubtless be needed in the future for disaster relief work.
 
 ->  ->  HN> Collins class boats have a hard time
 ->  ->  HN> getting people to volunteer to crew them.
 ->  -> 
 ->  -> If all the Collins boats were in working order at the same time, 
 HN> there would not be enough crews to man them.
 ->  HN> And so far that has never happened.
 -> Right!
 ->
 HN> All the more reason to go with a 
 HN> boat that has a proven track record
 HN> of success. 

Or not to waste money on something not needed.
 
 ->  HN> The biggest problem with the coastal 
 ->  HN> waters of OZ, are two fold...clear
 ->  HN> water makes hiding difficult, and 
 ->  HN> all those dang coral reefs make 
 ->  HN> navigation a bugaboo! Many subs

Ships are still regularly getting hung up on those reefs.

 ->  -> Ship building is not doing well in Eastern Australia, but in the
 HN> West
 ->  -> they are building large, 40 knot catamaran transports for the US 
 -> 
 ->  HN> That would be AUSTAL...and they have 
 ->  HN> shipyards in the USA as well, Norfolk
 ->  HN> for one I think and I think the other
 ->  HN> is on the gulf coast somewhere
 -> 
 -> Yes.  I travelled on an Austal catamaran ferry from Athens to
 -> Santorini island in '06.  It was fast and comfortable, and the wide
 -> upper deck gave good viewing.  Ten minutes was enough time to dock and
 -> load/unload at Io island.
 -> 
 HN> They are also building other craft
 HN> as well, teaming up with Northrup Grummond I think.

"Northrop Grumman"

What do US Navy people think of the non-traditional Austal design of
the LCSs and JHSVs?  They seem to be far more successful here than the
dreaded Collins.  I read that when the first of those large trimarans
appeared in the distance near Timor some of the locals thought it was
some sort of sea monster.  I was in Darwin when one of them docked
there, and it is certainly weird looking.

MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.05
 
      Title: CURRIED GREEN PAW PAW
 Categories: Australian, Tropical, Fruit
      Yield: 4 Servings
 
    700 g  Green paw paw (papaya)
      2    Tomatoes, peeled
      2    Onions, finely sliced
      1 t  Mustard seed
      1 t  Garam masala
    1/2 t  Turmeric powder
    1/2 t  Chili powder
      7    Mm slice creamed coconut
           Salt to taste
           Oil for frying
 
  Peel the paw paw and dice into 2 cm cubes.  Finely slice the onion and
  chop tomatoes.  Fry mustard seeds in a little oil until they
  splutter, then add onions and fry till tender and transparent.  Add
  tomatoes together with the garam masala, turmeric and chilli powder
  and fry for five minutes.  Add paw paw and salt to taste.  Simmer for
  five minutes before adding coconut.  Cover and cook for a further 10
  minutes or until paw paw is tender.  Serve with tomato wedges.
  
  ~ Darwin Gardeners Gourmet Guide, 1972.  Typed by Glen J, 07-09.
 
MMMMM


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