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Skriven 2012-03-24 14:18:00 av Glen Jamieson
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Hello Hap,

 ->  HN> The original Japanese position was that the
 ->  HN> attack on Pearl Harbor was defensive in nature
 -> 
 -> "Defensive"??  I can't see that even the Japanese could claim that was
 -> any more defensive than the repeated bombing of Northern Australia
 -> shortly afterwards.  Or perhaps they considered it to be a
 -> "Pre-emptive strike", such as Israel is talking about, on Iran?  If it
 -> was, it didn't work.
 ->
 HN> Of course it did not work. Mostly 
 HN> because history is written by the 
 HN> victors. But that was their position.

As far as it went, the attack on Pearl Harbor was very successful.  It
was just the consequences that didn't turn out quite as the Japanese
military had planned.  Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto's plane was shot down
on 18 April, 1943.   Coincidentally a Filipino nephew of mine married
a charming young lady whose grandfather bore the Yamamoto name.  He
had mysteriously appeared in the Philippines just after the war.
 
 -> Nothing can be 100% one or the other, but in aircraft, bombers are
 -> primarily offensive, while fighters are primarily defensive.
 ->
 HN> If you go out looking for a fight
 HN> that is defensive? Fighters did
 HN> a lot more than just escort bombers
 HN> y'know.

The bomber escorts were specialist long-range fighters.  Most fighters
were primarily defensive, with the purpose of killing bombers and/or
their escorts.
 
 ->  ->  HN> Every "weapon" is both defensive and
 ->  ->  HN> offensive. If you had subs defending your
 ->  ->  HN> coast in WWII you'd have used them "defensively".
 ->  -> All the attacks on Australia were by submarines and aircraft.

Australia did not have any submarines during WW2, but US, British and
Dutch craft were based at Fremantle and Brisbane.  A pair of
Australian subs - HMAS AE1 and AE2, each 725 ton, with twin 8-cylinder
diesel engines, were built in England and delivered to Sydney in 1914.
At the time that was the longest transit voyage ever taken by a
submarine.  AE1 was lost during a successful attack on the German base
at Rabaul - just "disappeared".  AE2 later did service in the
Bosporus, was damaged, and later scuttled near there.  There are moves
to recover it and return it to Australia.

 ->  -> Interesting point; how does sub vs sub work?
 -> How is that done while submerged?  Like a duel, face to face, with
 -> torpedoes at 10 km?
 -> 
 HN> seldom "face to face" more like cat
 HN> and mouse and the first one to HN> make a move loses.

I suppose revealing details of that sort of warfare is restricted.  I
will just have to use my imagination.

MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.05
 
      Title: Turkish Delight
 Categories: Newsgroups, 28nov2001
      Yield: 4 servings
 
      4 c  Caster sugar
      1    Litre water
      1 ts Lemon juice
      1 c  Cornflour
      1 ts Cream of tartar
  1 1/2 tb Rosewater
           Red food colouring
    3/4 c  Icing sugar
    1/4 c  Cornflour, extra
 
  Combine sugar, 1 1/2 cups (375ml) of the water and juice in medium
  pan, stir over low heat, without boiling, until sugar is dissolved.
  Brush sugar crystals from side of pan with brush dipped in water.
  Simmer, uncovered, without stirring, until mixture reaches soft ball
  stage (1160C) on candy thermometer (a teaspoon of mixture will form a
  soft ball when dropped into a cup of cold water). Remove from heat.
  Meanwhile, in separate medium heavy-based pan, blend cornflour and
  cream of tartar with enough of the remaining water to make a smooth
  paste. Stir in remaining water, whisk constantly over heat until
  mixture boils and thickens. Gradually pour hot syrup in a thin stream
  into cornflour mixture, whisking constantly. Simmer gently,
  uncovered. about 1 hour or until mixture is translucent and a pale
  straw colour: stir occasionally during cooking. Stir in rosewater.
  tint with colouring. Pour and spread mixture into greased deep 19cm
  square cake pan, stand, uncovered, 3 hours or overnight. Cut jelly
  into squares using oiled knife. Coat squares in combined sifted icing
  sugar and extra cornflour.
  
  Recipe can be made a day ahead. Storage: In airtight container.
  Freeze: Not suitable. Microwave: Not suitable. Turkish Delight Middle
  Eastern Style Cookery - The Australian Women's Weekly Home Library
  
  From: "Gladys Dinletir" <gladysdinletir
 
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