Text 2533, 136 rader
Skriven 2010-10-07 05:48:00 av Dave Drum (46390.cooking)
   Kommentar till text 2496 av Ruth Haffly (1:396/45.28)
Ärende: Fuel Cost
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-=> Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

 MR> dollar less. Well to make a long story short. ethanol cost a third
 MR> less at the pump, but I also got about 20mpg with it. So I figured,

 RH> That's about what we figured.  You end up with no savings in the long
 RH> run and poor gas milage as well.

 DD> Actually the fuel cost per mile driven is darned near identical.
 DD> Ethanol has lower specific heat per gallon than gaz-o-lina so it takes
 DD> more of it to do the same amount of work. It's definitely not an
 DD> immediate winner for your wallet but *may* be a winner for the
 DD> environment.

 RH> Not if you have to buy more fuel because you're not getting the milage
 RH> you did on straight gas. Hurts both the wallet and environment.

To review - and here's the more full quote from Mike -

MR> Now I was getting 31mpg on regular gas. Gas was about 2.99
MR> here at the time and ethanol was 2.09, So it was almost 1
MR> dollar cheaper for ethanol. I filled the little sunofagun
MR> up and was all happy it was almost a dollar less. Well to
MR> make a long story short. ethanol cost a third less at the
MR> pump, but I also got about 20mpg with it.

Now - let's do the math. Ethanol based E-85 cost about a third less at the
pump. Mike got about a third less mileage from the E-85. He paid a third less
for the fuel and got a third less mileage from it. Looks like a wash to me. And
the ethanol is renewable whereas the petroleum is demonstrably finite. Plus the
ethanol fuels are less polluting to the atmosphere, the earth and our lives
overall.

So, if the cost per mile is about the same and by using ethanol we don't have
to worry about crap like the Exxon Valdez or the BP oil platform deal in the
Gulf of Mexico please tell me how you can, in good conscience, make the
statement "Hurts both the wallet and environment." 

 RH> Don't blame you in the least. We saw milage drop in different places
 RH> where we had no choice but to use an ethanol/gasoline mix. IIRC, HI put
 RH> in a 15% required ethanol law while we were there. Almost made it not
 RH> worth running down to our favorite Korean hole in the wall place in
 RH> Mililani or up to the North Shore and favorite places there.

 DD> If they are charging the same for the stiffer mix - then someone is
 DD> getting screwed. But, there is little difference between straight
 DD> regular and 10% ethanol mix WRT gas mileage. At least with modern cars
 DD> which have engine management confusers to deal with the differences.

 RH> We had a 1992 Chevy Lumina APV mini van in HI, and, as I said, it was
 RH> 15% ethanol, not 10.  Over there it's a different can of worms than on
 RH> the main land anyway; everything is higher priced.  It's usually
 RH> cheapest on Oahu where there are a couple of refineries but a good bit
 RH> more on the other islands where it is barged in.

And you were in a special circumstance - along with the rest of the lotus
eaters in La-la Land.
 
 DD> Keep in mind that we can grow more ethanol nearly immediately. Growing

 RH> And drive up the price of other products that use corn.  It's a fact
 RH> that the use of ethanol has raised prices on other things that use
 RH> corn. Animal feed, corn oil, etc for exaample.

Welcome to the dynamics of the real world. And be happy for the farmers who
raise the corn as they can now turn a bit of profit on their labours and
investment. Corn used to have a pretty short percentage of return on
investment. Currently it nearly matches soybeans and (with the drought in
Russia and short crop in Canada) wheat is moving in that direction. BTW - one
of the non-food uses for soybeans is for bio diesel.

The facts of life are - if we wish to continue the mobile lifestyle which the
development of the automobile and its attendant infrastructure has engendered
we are going to have to pay to maintain that lifestyle.

TANSTAAFL, Ruth.

 DD> more oil to make fuel takes millions of years ... I can't wait that

 RH> I'll differ with that statement but not get into it here.  You know my
 RH> point of view there.

Actually, no. I don't.

MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06
 
       Title: Dinosaur Burger
  Categories: Beef, Breads, Sandwiches
       Yield: 7 servings
 
       9    Inch loaf of unsliced
            - sour-dough bread
            Pouch dry onion soup mix
       2 lb Ground beef
       1 lg Tomato; sliced
     1/4 c  Water
            Lettuce leaves
            Sweet pickle chips
 
  With large, serrated knife, cut bread horizontally in half.
  From top half, remove soft bread, leaving crust, and crumble
  enough bread to measure l cup. 

  Set aside top crust. Preheat broiler. 

  In large bowl, with fork, combine bread crumbs, dry soup mix
  and water, let stand 5 min. Stir in beef lightly. 

  Shape into 9 in. patty. Place on broiler rack over pan.
  Broil 6 in. from heat till firm, about 10 min. 

  Line bottom half of bread with lettuce leaves. With 2
  pancake turners, lift beef patty onto lettuce. Top with
  tomato slices, pickle chips and top crust.

  To serve, cut burger into wedges.

  Serves 6 to 8.
 
  From: http://www.recipesource.com

  Uncle Dirty Dave's Archives

MMMMM

ENJOY!!!

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