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Skriven 2013-05-03 21:08:00 av Dave Drum (66579.cooking)
     Kommentar till en text av RUTH HANSCHKA (1:123/140)
Ärende: Greenies
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-=> RUTH HANSCHKA wrote to DAVE DRUM <=-


 ->  -> If the large numbers of windmill propeller blades at the Siemens
 ->  -> plant at Ft. Madison, IA are any indication - it will soon pass
 ->  -> pile the atomic plants.

 -> SR> One can but hope. They're apparently noisy if you're near them, but
 -> SR> it

 -> You've been listening to the alarmists again. That's not true unless one
 -> of the generators has a bearing squealing down the road to seizure. There
 -> were claims that chickens wouldn't lay, that cows wouldn't breed/produce 
 -> milk, etc., etc., etc., ad nauseum. Not of which stood up to the harsh
 -> light of reality.

SR> You would eventually get used to it, but any moving object just about
SR> has to make some noise. Whether it's objectionable or not depends 
SR> on who's listening. And they have to be one up on nuke plants. My late
SR> dad worked on those too. Hated them, and hated the waste they produced
SR> worse. He'd have loved the wind turbines.

 -> The truth is that some rich-bitch landowners didn't want those "nasty
 -> old windmills" disturbing their bucolic paradise. And they got some
 -> "wasn't invented here" and NIMBY types to go along.

SR> There's always an idiot in there somewhere.  They don't want them
SR> uglying up the landscape.

 -> Collisions with wind turbines account for about one-tenth of a percent
 -> of all "unnatural" bird deaths in the United States each year. And of
 -> all bird deaths, 30 percent are due to natural causes, like baby birds
 -> falling from nests [source: AWEA]. So why the widespread misconception
 -> that labels wind turbines "bird-o-matics"? It all starts with California,
 -> raptors and the thousands of old turbines that make up the Altamont Pass
 -> wind farm.

SR> Not to mention cats.  Cats probably nail more small birds than the
SR> turbines ever dreamed of.

 -> SR> sure beats burning oil.  My late father worked on legacy power
 -> SR> plants - the pre- WWII stuff.  He dealt with old coal and oil-fired
 -> SR> stuff all the time.  He liked the hydro plants much better. They
 -> SR> were clean.

 -> I thought your dad did engines for GE. Must have been someone else's
 -> pop.

SR> He never worked for GE.  Hamilton Standard yes, during the space race,
SR> and later Pratt & Whitney but not GE.

I sorta knew it was some airplane engine outfit. P&W and G&E being the two
biggies other than Rolls Canardly.

 ->  -> can, cheek by jowl with other tin cans ....

 -> SR> Not so much, in other words.  You could get solar foil for the roof,
 -> SR> most likely.  I've thought about doing it here, but chances are it
 -> SR> would cost more than it's worth. I don't get enough sun.

 -> Too many trees - see my comments about the birds eating the mulberries
 -> and leaving purple splotches on my car. And the helicopters from the
 -> maple trees. Not to mention the tree of heaven that I wish I could figure
 -> out how to kill.

SR> I get the propellers too, but no mulberries.

 -> SR> That's a good trick. My old calculator from high school is 100%
 -> SR> solar powered.  It still works just fine, probably because I go
 -> SR> even older school most of the time and use a pencil and paper.

 -> My calculator is a left-over from my computer store days - a 3.5" floppy
 -> disk looking thing (remember those?) promoting Amiga computers (remember
 -> those?). Solar powered and works rather better than I thought it would
 -> after all these years.  Bv)=

SR> No battery compartment to be killed by old batteries left in it for too
SR> long.  I just threw out some old floppies.  Nothing left to read them
SR> on.

I still use them for my various Amiga models. And I snagged an USB 3.5" floppy
drive from one or the other of my "we're emailing you our latest bargains and
must have for freaking ever" places when it was under U$20 and I needed about
that to get the free shipping on some other stuff. (saving more than the cost
of the drive).

 -> SR> I'm down in a hole with trees over top.  We could put some on top of
 -> SR> the local "mountain" and might if there weren't a bunch of million
 -> SR> dollar homes up on the ridge with loudly complaining owners.
 
 -> See my comment above about who is driving the noise complaints about
 -> wind farms.

SR> No need; NIMBYs are universal.

Wayne La Pierre being a prime example.   Bv)=

 -> The oven is a lot easier to design, build and set up than a flat plate
 -> grill/hob heated from underneath by solar. My flat grill is fairly
 -> small, involves a copper plate (for heat distribution) and one has to
 -> be careful not to A: get burnt or B: shade the solar power too much.

SR> That could be a problem.

MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

      Title: Sheila's Backyard Bbq Sauce
 Categories: Sauces, Bbq, Vegetables, Citrus, Chilies
      Yield: 5 servings

      2 tb Oil
      1 md Onion; peeled, slivered
      4 cl Garlic; peeled, halved
     28 oz Can peeled plum tomatoes;
           - crushed. w/juice
  1 1/2 c  Ketchup
      1 c  Fresh orange juice
      6 tb Fresh lemon juice
      6 tb Red-wine vinegar
    1/2 c  Water
    1/4 c  Honey
    1/4 c  (packed) dark-brown sugar
      3 tb Crystallized ginger; fine
           - chopped
      2 tb Dark molasses
      1 tb Worcestershire sauce
    1/4 ts Tabasco; more to taste
      2 tb Chilli spice mix
      1 tb Ground coriander
      1 tb Dry mustard
      1 t  Salt; more to taste
 
  Place the oil in a medium-sized heavy pot. Add the onion
  and cook for 5 to 7 minutes over medium heat until golden
  brown. Stir in the garlic during the last minute.
   
  Add all of the remaining ingredients to the pot and
  combine well.
 
  Bring to a boil, reduce heat to very low and cook,
  stirring often, for 45 minutes to an hour, or until the
  sauce thickens and has a smooth texture.
 
  Remove the onion and garlic with a slotted spoon; discard.
  Adjust seasonings to taste. If the sauce is too thick, add
  a small amount of water. Cool to room temperature and
  refrigerate in covered containers for up to two weeks.
 
  Inspired by sauce at Sonny Bryan's BBQ, as mixed by
  Charlie Riddle.
   
  From: http://www.recipesource.com

  Uncle Dirty Dave's Archives

MMMMM

... What you don't see with your eyes, don't invent with your mouth.
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