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Skriven 2013-05-29 11:49:00 av NANCY BACKUS (1:261/1381)
     Kommentar till en text av MICHAEL LOO
Ärende: Re: weird real/perceived
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-=> Quoting Michael Loo to Nancy Backus on 05-27-13  09:40 <=-

 ML>> So I went to get my supper at Stop and Shop, and feeling sort
 ML>> of flush went to try to find some nondairy yogurt, but there
 ML>> wasn't any. I got me a steak instead. Probably a good choice.
 NB>> Probably just as well.  :)  Does Stop and Shop generally carry a
 NB>> selection of that sort of thing...?
 ML> I don't know. That particular one didn't. The Wegmans stores I
 ML> go to do, even the one in Williamsport,

Most Wegmans stores do have at least a small "natural foods" section
that would have such items, even the smallest ones, which Wport isn't. 
But I have seen that some chains don't seem to bother with such "hippie"
fare, or however they label/libel it... ;)  

 ML> but when I go there my
 ML> host pays the grocery bill no questions asked, and I don't want
 ML> to have someone else pay for my self-indulgent experiments.

You can give it a try when you come visit here... I'll let you help pay
the grocery bill so that you can be self-indulgently experimental. :)

 ML>> It becomes a purely economic decision. I think that fresh-fried
 ML>> bacon in a skillet that smells up the house is the best, plus
 ML>> you get the bonus of lots of delicious and useful bacon fat,
 ML>> but beyond that, eh. I guess you could squeeze your used paper
 ML>> towels into some spinach ...
 NB>> Or nuke the bacon and spinach in the same dish... ;)  Just put the
 NB>> bacon atop the spinach...
 ML> The wetness of the spinach would change the texture of the bacon.
 ML> Otherwise a good idea.

Nuking tends to make things softer anyway... hard to get crisp in there.
 
 ML>> Steamed baby spinach
 ML>> categories: astonishing, stupid, not kidding
 NB>> For this one needs a recipe...??!  
 ML> That's the point. The dish isn't stupid, just the perceived
 ML> need for a recipe.

Ok.

 ML>> Which makes it doubly worrisome for me, as most of the meat
 ML>> I willingly ingest is rare, perhaps never having achieved a
 ML>> temperature that would denature those antibiotics.
 NB>> I knew that heat can kill the bugs... but I didn't know that heat
 NB>> changes the antibiotics...

 ML> They typically start degrading at high room temperatures,
 ML> but I don't know about inside muscle meat; the labels tell
 ML> you not to store antibiotics above an arbitrary 30C.

Ok, let me rephrase that somewhat... I thought that once the antibiotics
were within the meat, they weren't likely to be changed all that much by
the cooking, having already gone through the digestion of the animal in
question...  Which brings a parallel question of why the issue, unless
they stay harmful...  Animal ingested hormones have been shown to have
effects on the children that eat the meat afterwards, and cooking
doesn't seem to affect that.  It's a bit of a puzzling subject all
around, actually..  But I'd still rather be safe than sorry where
possible...   As to not-yet-used antibiotics... not arguing that part of
it at all... although there is a certain arbitraryness to the storage
requirements, to be sure.

 SH>> Title: Truffes Au Chocolat (Chocolate Truffles)
 ML>> That's pretty much it. I don't think the cream is necessary;
 ML>> my sister used a little brandy or liqueur instead, as I recall
 NB>> That would give a different taste aspect... :)   So one does need a
 NB>> little liquid beyond the chocolate and butter...?
 ML> Not really.

But a little liquid for additional taste doesn't hurt either, then.
 
 RH>> Well duh. There's poison and then there's a helpful drug. Caffeine is
 RH>> the  latter.
 NB>> Or, more to the point, there's taking chances and then there's really
 NB>> taking chances...  ;)   Now, if I could pin down which alkaloid in
 NB>> coffee, not caffeine, gives me those paranoid hallucinations, maybe
 NB>> one could take that out of coffee, and I could have my coffee back...

 ML> With me, it's the caffeine that does it, I'm pretty sure; at
 ML> least the effects are inseparable.

I'd be inclined to agree there for you.  :)  But I don't have the
problems with caffeine in general, just the coffee (including decaf)... 

ttyl       neb

... I guess it takes more than birthdays to get maturity!

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