Text 11948, 66 rader
Skriven 2014-04-09 16:46:57 av Nancy Backus (1:261/1381.0)
  Kommentar till text 11864 av MICHAEL LOO (1:123/140)
Ärende: Re: different standards 457
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-=> Quoting MICHAEL LOO to NANCY BACKUS on 06 Apr 14  21:43:00 <=-

 ML>> But describes the situation I was referring to that causes
 ML>> the large body of faculty who are just doing the motions.
 NB>> Which of course is why the saying persists so well... ;)   And
 NB>> probably anyone with any college experience has had some verification
 NB>> of the usual validity of it...  :)
 ML> If it were totally true, nobody would ever learn anything,
 ML> but if it were totally false, nobody would pay it any
 ML> attention. I think part of the popularity of the saying
 ML> and its proliferation is because those who repeat it are
 ML> envious of what they perceive as the cushy life of teachers.

And some who repeat it are the students that think that they are being
given a raw deal by an imcompetent... trying, perhaps, to make any sense
of things...   ;)    Usually said humorously, though...  ;)

 ML>> For sure that, but I don't think either of my examples would
 ML>> have gotten more than "adjunct" at a state school. It's only
 NB>> Probably would depend on the state school... 
 ML> Most state schools have rigid sets of rules. There are
 ML> perhaps ways of getting around, such as having special
 ML> titles ("visiting lecturer" is a catch-all or pastiche)
 ML> or giving a coveted person an honorary degree.

Special titles, or teaching in the night school... or such...
 
 NB>> RIT has had any number of instructors with primarily industry
 NB>> experience... I never really paid that much attention to whether or
 NB>> not full professorship required advance degrees, though...  Just that
 NB>> they weren't being relegated to some sort of adjunct status...  :)
 ML> RIT may have had some rationality built into its
 ML> system.

Quite likely... especially as (at least part of it) started out as an
industrial school... the Mechanics Institute... which merged with
Rochester Atheneum... And the T of course stands for Technology... which
isn't a misnomer in this case, anyway you look at it..  ;)

 NB>> Plus, of course, it's more fun to do things with a companion,
 NB>> than to be by oneself... at least some of the time..  ;)
 ML> Indeed. I need a culinary travel companion. Benita, who
 ML> many people on the echo know, was one such, but she had
 ML> her own drawbacks - a certain deliberate pace that I
 ML> couldn't deal with (Carol B. also had this issue), plus
 ML> she snored like a buzz saw.

That could indeed be a drawback... ;)  

 ML>> M does not endorse the substitution of coconut flavoring for
 ML>> real coconut milk; the shaving of a few Calories does not
 ML>> justify the compromise of flavor and consistency.
 NB>> Better to have a slightly smaller portion, or not have some other
 NB>> accompaniment... if calories are that much of a consideration... :) 
 NB>> Or maybe just have something with less calories for the next meal...
 ML> I suppose so. I've mostly been of the latter school.

It can all balance out in the end...  Kinda like the advice given to
mothers of toddlers who worry that the child isn't eating enough, or too
much, or the wrong things or too much of only one food...  ;)

ttyl         neb

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