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     Kommentar till en text av MICHAEL LOO
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-=> Quoting Michael Loo to Nancy Backus on 07-12-14  01:27 <=-

 NB>> He'd rework tavern songs into hymns...
 ML> And tavern songs (hymns, too) can turn into patriotic songs,
 ML> sometimes with moderate success. Being of a somewhat
 ML> irreverent bent, I'd be pleased also to see hymns redone
 ML> as tavern songs.

I'm sure they've all gone both ways at one time or another... the nature
of music being what it is, and the propensity of people to "borrow" from
each other...  ;)
 
 NB>> Bach had a rich tradition to work with... and made it much richer...  :)
 ML> I'm not so sure about the role of Bach, who seems to have been
 ML> the pinnacle of the Baroque. He, Vivaldi, and Telemann were
 ML> probably the most prolific of reputable composers: Vivaldi
 ML> having been one of Bach's inspirations and Telemann a close
 ML> friend and perhaps influence. But Bach was largely forgotten
 ML> shortly after his death until a rehabilitation fueled by the
 ML> enthusiasm of Felix Mendelssohn (a Calvinist, unlike Bach).

Not that uncommon a phenomenon... to be forgotten and then rediscovered
later...  ;)   But once rediscovered, Bach is unlikely to fall into
oblivion again... since he was also found to be very versatile across
genres...  ;)

 ML> You can Telemann, but you can't sometimes tell him from Bach.
 ML> It's said the way scholars have built the catalogues of those
 ML> two was - if a work was great, it had to be by Bach, and if
 ML> it was not so good, it had to be by Telemann. Not counting of
 ML> course when an autograph exists.

And then they all borrowed from each other.... and themselves as
well....  ;)

 ML> Certain is that in my experience and to my ear, the accepted
 ML> Bach canon [sic] offers a huge amount of terrific pieces and a
 ML> relative death of duds, whereas with that of Telemann the
 ML> reverse obtains.

Hard to say if that was intrinsic or the fault of the cataloguers... ;)

 NB>> Always have been women musicians... and occasionally they got the
 NB>> recognition they deserved...  :)

 ML> Seldom, though. Until quite recently female composers and
 ML> performers were largely regarded as peculiarities, as though
 ML> they were trained monkeys or something. Fanny Mendelssohn's
 ML> works saw publication only when they were smuggled into the
 ML> collections of her brother (though later in life she did
 ML> have an Opus 1 printed, thanks in large part to her husband).

I dunno about the trained monkeys part... probably true in some eras,
though...  It was much more dependent on how one's immediate family
(read, at least in part, the patriarchal power base) viewed one's
aspirations...  Clara Wieck's father certainly encouraged her...  ;)
 
 ML>> I guess that was in the '60s and '70s, and I didn't
 ML>> know about this until relatively recently. When I
 ML>> played with some of the same groups, it was in the
 ML>> '80s into the '90s.
 NB>> Sometimes one has to have been there, to know the history...  :)

 ML> I suppose. There are truths that remain hidden to the Internet,
 ML> and reliance on that research tool is foolish because of that
 ML> fact as much as because of the proliferation of falsehood.

And yet it is seen as the source of all wisdom... (G)

 ML>> Nah, what they should do is give a dollar discount for
 ML>> refusing the side dish. 
 NB>> That would be a nice touch... ;)
 ML> A la carte pricing for food agrees with my approach to
 ML> eating, and sadly it obtains mostly in restaurants that
 ML> charge too much to begin with. I'd rather have a $15
 ML> steak and one $3 side than a $20 steak that comes with
 ML> two sides that you don't get a discount for dodging.

Makes sense... at least from the consumer side...  The pricey
restaurants probably do it to try to disguise how much they are actually
charging...  ;)  Possibly also to reduce waste...?
 
 ML>> Now that I think back, they also gave a second side dish -
 ML>> applesauce in a little cup such as you might expect in
 ML>> elementary school caf or on the airplane.
 NB>> Something I'd also pass on... although, could I eat apples, that could
 NB>> be a nice touch too...  I've seen coleslaw presented that way, as an
 NB>> extra to the meal...
 ML> Yes, and the little cup is generally soggy and less than
 ML> appetizing. In the case I was describing, that was the case.

Yecchh..  A sop to "providing a well-rounded value meal", I suppose...

ttyl        neb

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