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Skriven 2014-08-03 20:22:00 av NANCY BACKUS (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av MICHAEL LOO
Ärende: Re: musicke 728
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-=> Quoting Michael Loo to Nancy Backus on 07-31-14  00:46 <=-

 ML>> In larger groups, not so much, as all one has to do is
 ML>> follow the weird gyrations of the guy (usually a guy) with
 ML>> the stick and make convincing enough squeaks, which, if they
 ML>> are inaccurate, one hopes will be covered by the others.
 NB>> I've heard of one conductor/orchestra where the players are encouraged
 NB>> to do their own. even spur-of-the-moment, thing... can't think of the
 NB>> name of either at the moment...  But there indeed is "safety" in
 ML> Stokowski encouraged some leeway when he conducted the American
 ML> Symphony Orchestra (but not New York or Philadelphia). It was
 ML> the Orpheus Chamber Orchestra, where some of my friends worked,
 ML> where a certain leeway was encouraged, but only when agreed on
 ML> in rehearsal.

The one I'm trying to think of is a fairly current one... only this year
it was that I heard the discussion with the conductor in question about
the concept of allowing the leeway in concert...  Terrible when one's
memory just won't cooperate...  ;0
 
 NB>> numbers, in choral groups, too, as long as it is a large enough
 NB>> group... when I'm the only tenor, not so much so...  (G)
 ML> I've always enjoyed being one on a part but detested being
 ML> alone alone.

Some parts stick out more than others... ;)

 NB>>> He'd rework tavern songs into hymns...
 ML>> And tavern songs (hymns, too) can turn into patriotic songs,
 ML>> sometimes with moderate success. Being of a somewhat
 ML>> irreverent bent, I'd be pleased also to see hymns redone
 ML>> as tavern songs.
 NB>> I'm sure they've all gone both ways at one time or another... the
 NB>> nature of music being what it is, and the propensity of people to
 NB>> "borrow" from each other...  ;)
 ML> I can't think of any offhand, but then I am not a great
 ML> expert on either hymns or tavern songs.

I'm probably more of an expert on hymns than on tavern songs..  I only
know about certain hymn tunes having been tavern songs from what I've
been told..  :)

 NB>> Clara Wieck's father certainly encouraged her...
 ML> A bit of an exception, but even she was viewed as a curiosity
 ML> rather than a full musician. She may well have made a career
 ML> on her own, but were it not for her associations with Robert
 ML> and Johannes, she'd I think have been more of the trained
 ML> monkey than anything else. 

Dunno...  perhaps...  From what I've read/heard, part of her father's
objection to Robert was that marriage would take away from her ability
to have her musical career... of course, the objection might have been
as much for losing his "trained monkey", but that wasn't quite how the
story seemed to be being told.  Also, from what I've read/heard, she was
very influential in helping both Robert and Johannes have their music
propagated... 

 ML> The difficulties for women in careers were enormous.
 ML> Remember again that Fanny Mendelssohn
 ML> had to have her songs published under her brother's name.

Hadn't forgotten that... And I don't deny that in most cases the
difficulties were definitely enormous...  Just that there were a few
that managed to beat the odds... :)

ttyl         neb

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