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Skriven 2014-11-26 15:38:00 av lucretiaborgia@fl.it
     Kommentar till en text av adavid.smith@sympatico.ca
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On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 13:51:24 -0500, Dave Smith
<adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>On 2014-11-26 12:18 PM, Michel Boucher wrote:
>> Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote in news:1Jmdw.143133
>> $O76.107949@fx15.iad:
>>
>>> Whipping out a gun or a replica at a cop is a major
>>> fail. .... kid's error, not the cops.
>>
>> I would think that if the cop had been made aware that the gun was
>> not a real weapon, the fail was his.
>
>I don't know if the cop was told it was a fake gun. The caller told the
>police dispatch about a kid waving a gun around. The dispatcher was
>trying to get details, like the location and the description. I imagine
>she was keying in some information as she was speaking to the man.
>Somewhere along the line he said it could be a fake, and later that he
>didn't know if was real or not.  We don't know if that piece of
>uncertainty was passed on or not.
>
>When the cop arrived at the location, the kid pulled the gun out from
>his waistband. Being an Airsafe, it was a replica...... it looked like a
>real gun.  It didn't have the coloured tip that is required for
>replicas. It looked like a real gun.  Cops are not trained to waste time
>waiting to see if it is real....to determine the make, model and
>calibre. There had been a complaint about a kid waving a gun at people
>and, when told to raise his hands, the kid whipped out a very real
>looking replica.
>>
>> No wonder cops are getting a reputation as garde-chiourmes of the
>> increasingly fascist establishment.  They can they kill with
>> impunity.  What gives them the right to take a human life without
>> having to answer for it?
>
>They  cannot kill with impunity.  They are not only authorized to use
>deadly force but are trained to do it. The training involves the
>legalities of the use of lethal force. It may not be the same in the US
>as it is in Canada where a cop who uses legal force is almost guaranteed
>to be charged after being second guessed by arm chair investigators who
>get to second guess his reaction in a confusing and stressful situation.
>  They must pass a pretty rigorous standard to show that they acted in
>accordance with their training.
>
>Cops are usually in a no win situation.  You likely recall the incident
>in Vancouver airport where the RCMP tasered a Polish immigrant who was
>freaking out when he couldn't find his way out of the arrival lounge.
>People went nuts and accused them of using lethal force where they
>thought it was not justified.  Bear in mind that taser was a new tool
>and they had been trained to believe it was not lethal. More recently, a
>kid who pulled a knife in a streetcar was shot by a cop. Guess what the
>anti cop crowd is saying... they should have used a taser.

Everybody had left the bus unharmed, only the teen remained.  A hail
of bullets was uncalled for.
>
>They are damned if the do and damned if they don't. If the person is one
>of the one on 10,000 who dies, they are murderers for tasering him. If
>they shoot him, they say they should have used a taser.

The footage in Vancouver clearly showed a bewildered, non English
speaking man of low IQ, tired from a long flight, panicking.

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