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Skriven 2007-04-25 16:07:12 av Aleksej R. Serdyukov (2:5020/1042.42)
   Kommentar till text 1803 av Carol Shenkenberger (6:757/1)
Ärende: Cooking terms are universal?
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25 Apr 07 19:14:54, Carol Shenkenberger -> Aleksej R. Serdyukov:

ARS>> Oh, yep, recipes and packs with it say "black pepper" (chyornyi
ARS>> pyerye Something makes me think there is a green kind, too. But
ARS>> no Internet a

CS> There is.  I think it is a 'younger less mature' fruit of the same
CS> plant that makes the black ones but am not sure.  I have heard of it

Maybe it's the white one that was mentioned in the Wikipedia article on black
pepper?

CS>> Just like there's a good chance you've heard of 'peanut butter'
CS>> but may never have seen it.
ARS>> Probably only in English, but maybe in Russian, too. But yes, I
ARS>> think I've never seen it.

CS> It's mashed peanuts which dont grow up where you are at all.  You can
CS> probably get peanuts, apt to be shelled only.

We have (had) shelled ones; I think, unshelled ones, too (don't remember, but
unshelling AND frying them would take too long to bother :-)  ).
I think I had liked them over 13 years ago, but then, since some point, not
anymore...
They are called "arAhis" here.
Peanut butter would be (and is) "arAhisovoye mAslo".

CS> Peanut butter often has added sugar which I dont like. Most brands
CS> though are not 'sweet' but nutty-peanut.  The 'butter' is because it is
CS> mashed so well, it has either no nut chuncks or very small amounts of
CS> them.

Guess a mixer would help. <g>
We've been making walnut with honey before, but that wasn't exactly butter.

CS>> Cream in 'english' this time refers to a milk based product.  The
CS>> top layer or natural milk that comes to the top and is thicker,
CS>> which may be turned into butter,
ARS>> slivki ("something that has been poured off of/from something")

CS> That might if described further be 'whipping cream'.

The dictionaries here say "whipping cream" is 'slivki' to whip or whipped
'slivki'. Not sure the difference does any real matter* here. <g>

*"any real matter" Ä is this a legal expression?

ARS>> morozhenoye ("frozen"/"such that was being frozen before")
ARS>> Not sure if it wasn't called some word taken directly from
ARS>> English lon

If it was, though, it might rather be something from French or German at that
time.

CS> Western european languages are sometimes called 'almost incestuous'
CS> and for good reason.  Latin for farmer is agricula and in english, the
CS> science of farming is agriculture. 'Agri' is root for 'grow' with the
CS> unstated 'plant' I think.

There is a word "agronom" (agriculturalist, agromonist) Ä I've seen the word in
a book; maybe still a Soviet book. Didn't hear it often since then.
There is a word "ferma" (farm), borrowed from French.
Also argicultura/agrocultura.

ARS>> Hm. I have had a wrong impression of what biscuit was...
ARS>> Probably, each of the definitions works in Russian. :)
ARS>> A salty flat round cookie is called "cracker" here. Well, that's
ARS>> one o the words, at least. Cookie(s0 - pyechenye.

CS> Crackers are normally square in the USA but only because of mass
CS> marketing and easier to make them that way.

Well, they can be of any flat shape here...

ARS>> I think I've eaten green ones recently, and they were probably a
ARS>> bit salty I didn't really notice that, though. Maybe that was just
ARS>> their own tas

CS> You may have had a more standard Europe treatment one, vinigar and
CS> oil. We like those too but many USA/Canada folks have not seen them
CS> nor tasted them that way.  You have to look hard to find that and
CS> unless in a big city, wont find it.  The brined (salt solution is
CS> brine) green olives are quite good but i've not seem them sold in Asia
CS> anyplace.

Had ones again today. And I think not salty. The can says they are with
anchovies. Don't know where the anchovies were. If they were inside the olives
(info: my grandmother thinks black ones are masliny, green ones olives), they
were greenish paste. Fish paste?!

ARS>> SalAt: a green leafy thing (lettuce and maybe some other plants
ARS>> like t OR chopped up stuff containing maybe anything possible,
ARS>> not necessaril anything green.

CS> Makes sense to what i have eaten.  I've been to Vladivostok 3 times
CS> and the 'chopped up' makes more sense there to the term 'salad'.  Had
CS> a really good cabbage 'salad' with bits of krem and radish.  Sorry, I

Was that 'krem' mayonnaise (sp? just mayonez in Russian) or smyetana?

CS> do not recall the name of the dish.  It was close to what I'd call
CS> 'cabbage slaw' or 'coleslaw'.

A dictionary says 'coleslaw' contains mayonnaise.

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