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Skriven 2004-12-29 14:54:00 av John Edser (1:278/230)
Ärende: Haldane's Pub Rule
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 "Jim McGinn" <jimmcginn@yahoo.com> wrote

> > > JM:-
> > > John, you are welcome to make your case that
> > > there is confusion between Haldane's pub
> > > argument and Hamilton's kin selection
> > > argument.  <snip>

> > JE:-
> > Ok Lets call it Haldane's Pub Rule.
> > This is not to be confused with Dr O'Hara's
> > Pub Rule: have another drink instead of
> > answering any challenging question ;-)

> JMcG:-
> So true.

JE:-
Once again I ask Dr O'Hara (who purports
to be a professional within the field) to 
explain to perplexed sbe readers how it was 
ever possible for myself to delete ANY random 
processes from a natural population within 
the experiment I proposed to test total Darwinian 
fitness to refutation.

> > JE:-
> > The fact remains that if you look at almost any
> > explanation within the literature almost everybody
> > (including myself at one stage) confused Haldane's
> > Pub Rule with Hamilton's Rule.

> JMcG:-
> Yes, Haldane's Pub Rule (which is pure nonsense)
> serves as justification for Hamilton's employment
> of IBD to represent relatedness.  I'd always
> thought this was obvious.

JE:-
I don't think it is sufficient to just
state that Haldane's Pub rule "is pure nonsense".
Haldane has no good reason give up his life
for any number of relatives no matter what 
their IBD relatedness happens to be unless he 
can predict his own total Darwinian fitness. 

Read almost any tract or website at random
and you will observe the hopeless confusion
that still exists between Haldane's Pub Rule which 
allows a maximum IBD proxy recipient relatedness 
to be 0.5 using normal sex and Hamilton's rule which 
only allows the same proxy recipients the IBD relatedness 
of 0.25. This is because Hamilton b help is donated
to the offspring of the recipients and not the
recipients themselves. Unlike Hamilton's Rule,
within Haldane's Pub Rule b represents the number 
of recipients helped.

Regards,

John Edser
Independent Researcher

PO Box 266
Church Pt
NSW 2105
Australia

edser@tpg.com.au
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