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Skriven 2005-09-21 23:31:00 av FRANK SCHEIDT (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av MICHIEL VAN DER VLIST
Ärende: looting in NO.
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-=> Quoting Michiel Van Der Vlist to Frank Scheidt <=-

 >> It's a product of the deification of the gangster culture,
 >> that's seems certain.

 MVDV>> If there is a gangster culture in New Orleans, why did the rest of the
 MVDV>> USA allow it to come to that?
 
 > We had nothing to say about it.  You should put that question
 > to the New Orleans authorities.

 MVDV> Sounds like a lame excuse. So why have you not organised your society
 MVDV> in such a way that those in a position to do something about it, /have/
 MVDV> something to say about it.

*I*, personally, have very, very little to say WRT our 
*society's* actions.
 
 > BTW, since you seem to be so interested in "race"

 MVDV> What makes you say that?

Some of your statements ... 

 > (regardless how you may define it) did you know that New Orleans
 > is 2/3 *black*?

 MVDV> Yes, I am aware of that in the meantime.
 
 > And that's a fact so even with warped reasoning you cannot call it racist.

 MVDV> So why mention it?

Just to illustrate the fact that one can mention a statistic 
involving blacks without being racist.

 MVDV>> Anyway, whatever the reasons, seeing soldiers forcible entering
 MVDV>> houses at gunpoint is what one has become used to see as coming
 MVDV>> from Iraq, not from a hurricane disaster area in the USA....
 
 > Soldiers do what soldiers must do.

 MVDV> Soldiers do what they are ordered to do. Why were they ordered to do
 MVDV> whatever they did?

How should *I* know.  I'm 1,500 miles from New Orleans ...

 MVDV>> As I said, they could not have been looted if they were not there in
 MVDV>> the first place.
 
 > And why *shouldn't* the guns have been there.

 MVDV> So that they could not fall into the wrong hands.

One cannot prepare for *all* contingencies ...
 
 > After all, theft is a crime and no one should commit crimes
 > -- hurricane or *no* hurricane.

 MVDV> That filosofy does not stop the criminals.

Apparently not ...
 
 >> Mush less reoprted (as it does not suit the national agenda)
 >> are the people that protected their homes with guns of their own.

 MVDV>> That indeed did not make it into the news that I saw.
 
 > It never *is* reported.  Our anti-gun nuts would go ballistic
 > upon seeing such reports.

 MVDV> So what happened to the free press?

The concept of free press is a bit different that the actuality.  
Our "news"media, is strongly slanted to the liberal side.  Hence 
*they* can say what they wish ...

 MVDV>> But if it would, it would not have made a favorable impression
 MVDV>> either. What society is it, where people need to defend
 MVDV>> themselves against there own instead of that they work
 MVDV>> together to deal with a life threatening situation?
 
 > Our constitution wisely grants us the *right* to bear arms!

 MVDV> You are not answering my question.

OK, I'll try to answer it -- your last question (above):  I don't 
know.  What society *is* it?
 
 > We are a *free* society, quite unlike the repressive societies
 > which seem to fear such freedom.

 MVDV> Freedom is what the subject percieves as freedom.
 
OK ...

 > BTW, maybe it's because we in the U.S. are so accustomed to
 > using guns that we were so much more effective than our allies
 > in both World Wars.

 MVDV> Ah, there is that "we saved your asses from Hitler" crap again.

"Crap".  The people we freed in Europe during WWII didn't seem to 
think it was "crap".  Of course their ungrateful offspring are of 
a different generation.

 MVDV> Goodwin's law: you lose.

And "Goodwin's Law" is?????

... Doctors wear gloves so that they won't leave fingerprints!!!

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