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Skriven 2005-09-25 12:06:00 av FRANK SCHEIDT (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av ROSS CASSELL
Ärende: looters in NO
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-=> Quoting Ross Cassell to Michiel Van Der Vlist <=-

 >> I didnt say the crime was the video(s).
 
 >> I said the fact that he sent over lewd videos of himself
 >> helped establish the fact that he had intent to have
 >> "relations" with what he thought to be a 14yo US female.
 
 MV> Right. And so he was convicted for what the court thought was his
 MV> *intent*.

 RC> Our laws differ from yours, yours differ from ours. You are so quick
 RC> to point out the latter.

 RC> There are some crimes that can be prosecuted before there is a victim,
 RC> much less a innocent victim. Police routinely do drug and prostitution
 RC> stings and reverse ones, using undercover officers posing as drug
 RC> buyers, dealers, johns or prostitutes.
 
 >> Michiel had been arguing over and over that we had no idea
 >> what his intent was,
 
 MV> And I still maintain that position.

 RC> Thats because you have skull material that is the densest material
 RC> known on earth.

 RC> Up to the point that he arrived in Chicago and got arrested, he was
 RC> thinking "yummy 14yo girl". Now we have no idea what the text was in
 RC> the chats, but the lewd video's do indicate he had in mind some sexual
 RC> intent. 
 RC> I have to wonder based on how heavily your govt taxes you all, why did
 RC> he pay for airfare and travel to a foreign country if his intentions
 RC> were benign as you claim?
 
 >> but Michiel forgot to divulge the fact that Menno had sent over
 >> those videos and I only discovered this fact when I looked
 >> deeper into the case yesterday.
 
 MV> I did not "forget" that, to me it was irrelevant to the claim at hand:
 MV> that Menno was convicted for his alleged state of mind, not for his
 MV> actions.

 RC> I guess in other countries such as yours, you need to wait until there
 RC> is a traumatized victim before the police will act, huh?

 RC> Pedophilia is a crime over here Michiel, your protesting CANNOT change
 RC> that, and while the age of consent is much lower in your country, it is
 RC> not so low over here and adult males preying on our children,
 RC> especially over the internet is a problem and if we can prevent some of
 RC> it (ideally all of it) by getting the perpetrators before they act,
 RC> then so be it. 
 >> But Menno could have avoided all of this by not having assumed
 >> US laws were identical to the laws of his own country, he
 >> should have stayed home or got his jollies off in amsterdams
 >> red light district.
 
 MV> He could have avoided it if he were not so stupid as to assume that a
 MV> US law officer would not go so low as to entrap him by soliciting a
 MV> crime.

 RC> I imagine the airfare isnt cheap from there to here?
 
 MV> He will not make that mistake again and I hope that me making a fuss
 MV> about it will help others to learn from that mistake: US law
 MV> enforcement officers can not be trusted.

 RC> They are enforcing the laws enacted by the state legislatures, thats
 RC> their job and they will not refuse to do so because some hard headed
 RC> and uppity dutchman (you) disagrees with those laws.

Michiel is totally wrong, of course.  Unfortunately he'd dug such 
a deep hole he cannot find his way out ... [sigh] ...

... "I promise I won't bite", said the swimming Lawyer to the shark.

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