Text 13930, 58 rader
Skriven 2005-10-01 13:47:30 av Ross Cassell (1:123/456)
  Kommentar till text 13888 av Björn Felten (2:203/2)
Ärende: looters in NO
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Hello Björn!

01 Oct 05 17:01, you wrote to Raymond Yates:

 RY>> Sometimes, it's like arguing with a stump..

 BF>    But Raymond, can you honestly say, that you've done all that much
 BF> arguing? Hasn't it been more of the usual "shove the US POV down the
 BF> infidel's throats"?

and when you argue in dismay over the laws of the US, arent you shoving your
Euro POV down our throats?

 BF>    Have you really not understood by now, that many of us have the
 BF> firm belief, that an intent only exists in a persons mind, no matter
 BF> how clearly that person makes his/her intention obvious to the outside
 BF> world? After all, he/she can change his mind at any moment before
 BF> he/she really does what he/she intended to do.

In the case being talked about, and if I were to assume he was coming to the
USA to attend a wedding in California, making arrangements to layover in
Chicago and either letting himself be identified or him making efforts to
identify whom he thought was a 14yo girl, shows he didnt change his mind. If he
had, he could have stayed on the plane or otherwise made no attempt at
identifying himself, and simply milled about until his plane left for
California. Why do you excuse him for failing to research US law?

 BF>    Have you really not understood by now, that this is the reason we
 BF> think, that convicting someone for an intent, *is* nothing but
 BF> convicting someone for their thoughts?

If I was in Sweden and I was planning to defraud you out of lots of money, like
a investment or real estate scheme but I havent actually done so yet but got
caught before I could, would I have violated Swedish laws?

If your wife was hiring a hitman to kill you, but the plot got foiled by the
hitman getting cold feet and reporting your wifes queries to the police, is she
subject to any penalties under Swedish law?

Both questions deal with thoughts.

 BF>    I don't know why, but somehow my thoughts go to the "pre-emptive
 BF> strike theory" that the US military loves so much. Can this be related
 BF> to this obsession with intent, that you seem to hold in such a high
 BF> esteem in your society?

I dont mean disrespect, but you live in a different society and cannot
understand it, no moreso than myself trying to understand why some things are
the way they are in your society.. Why cant you grasp this?

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