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Skriven 2005-11-09 10:46:00 av FRANK SCHEIDT (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av WARD DOSSCHE
Ärende: Riots, Burning Cars!
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-=> Quoting Ward Dossche to Frank Scheidt <=-

 > Of course, I'll admit, I'm spoiled, living in
 > the United States where we have constitutionally-guaranteed free
 > speech.
 WD> 
 WD> That is indeed what is written in the relevant ammendment.  It does
 WD> not mean that you have more freedoms than we do overhere ... except of
 WD> course when you mean that it is perfectly OK to distribute for example
 WD> the Nazistic innuendo we've seen in this or another conference. Plus of
 WD> course that there still is a Nazi-party in the US, here that would be
 WD> outlawed. 

It might be of interest to you to not the that U.S. population is 
strongly anti-Nazi.  In fact it was due largely to U.S. efforts 
that the Nazis of WWII notoriety were *defeated* ...

 WD> Freedom of speech?

Yes, and you object to that?  You think the only speech which 
should be used is speech supporting your point-of-view??
 
 > Obviously not *all* Muslims in France are burning cars.
 > If they were there'd be no cars left to burn!
 WD> 
 WD> Time to make a one-way trip towards reality, Frank. Forgotten the
 WD> Watts riots from 1965?

Nope.  I recall it well.  A bunch of screwed-up blacks destroyed 
much of their neighborhoods ... BTW, much of that *still* hasn't 
been rebuilt.
 WD> 
 WD> The Watts riots were a large-scale civil disorder lasting six days in
 WD> Los Angeles, California on Aug.11 1965. During the riots, 34 people
 WD> were killed, 1,100 people were injured, 4,000 people were arrested, and
 WD> an estimated $100 million in damage was caused.

I'm not certain as to the accuracy of your numbers, but, in 
general, that *is* what happened.
 
 WD> A gubernatorial commission investigated the riots, identifying the
 WD> causes as high unemployment, poor schools, and other inferior living
 WD> conditions. 

Of *course* they had to justify it.  That was the 
politically-correct thing to do and the commission, as I recall, 
was largely composed either of politicians, ex-politicians or 
wannabe politicians.

 WD> The government made little effort to address the problems
 WD> or repair damages. 

The problems couldn't be addressed by the gummint as that would 
have caused them to condemn the blacks who rioted.  *That* would 
have been politically-incorrect.

 WD> Some commentators claim that the riots arose out of
 WD> frustration that the promised opportunities of the Civil Rights Act of
 WD> 1964 had not materialised. 

Some commentators claimed exactly the opposite -- that the 
rioters were merely thugs who saw an opportunity and acted on it!

 WD> What happened in France has the same problems at its roots ... high
 WD> unemployment, poor schooling, inferior living conditions. Remember a
 WD> couple of fires some weeks ago in housing blocks.

All I know about France is what I've read in the news and have 
seen on TV.  There doesn't seem to be any general agreement as to 
why the Muslims seem to be vandalizing buildings and especially 
cars.  Maybe the French *have* mistreated them.  I don't know. 

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